Doeling having some bad issues

Frosted Mini's · #1 02/09/13, 03:36 PM

I have been posting in DGI about this, but wanted people here to know what is going on with my baby girl I got a week and a half ago. A lot has gone on, so I don't want to re-explain everything, so here is a link to that: http://www.dairygoatinfo.com/index.php?topic=25294.0

I am nearly at my wits end and cry at least daily over this situation. It seems every time DH and I invest in something for the herd/farm, it gets ruined. I just hope I can pull this baby thru this, and she comes out at least somewhat normal.

Backfourty,MI. · #2 02/09/13, 04:27 PM

I think I read all the posts to your thread at DGI & it sounds like she's had a a lot of stuff put down her in a couple days.....

If she was constipated the oil sounds like that cleared her right out. I have had to use mineral oil a couple times with older goats & my vet says with the diarrhea it causes which causes upset tummies so to give Pepto Bismol after the oil.

Sounds like you've been giving her everything I could think of already.
I would keep her warm, keep giving her the milk, hay available all the time & on the cocci medication(now I can't remember what your using) & give her some pepto bismol to soothe her tummy.
Vit. B complex would be good to help up her appetite.
I'll keep my fingers crossed for you & your little doeling. I sure hope she makes it.

Frosted Mini's · #3 02/09/13, 04:45 PM

Thanks Katie!

It is a lot, I feel really bad, considering it was probably just coccidia to begin with and if I'd started there, I might be over this by now. Her and her buckling friend are both wearing coats and have lots of straw in their house, and come in my house at night. She is not getting anything but the cocci meds, electrolytes, and b-vit's now. Will do as the vet suggested, tubing elect. in and get her back on milk tomorrow...hopefully her guts will have had time to heal some, and she'll want to suck the bottle. I bought some pepto yesterday, but didn't give any yet, because combining NSAIDs (pepto has an aspriin-like substance) can cause ulcers and I gave her banamine yesterday. I will give her some pepto tomorrow morning before she gets offered milk (does anybody have pepto dosage off the top of their heads?).

JBarGFarmKeeper · #4 02/09/13, 05:06 PM

The dosage is about the same as humans. I don't think you'll do harm with it alone.

Just for future reference of ANYONE that reads this thread...
The first thing we do here when someone new comes in (regardless of age) is deworm AND Baycox. I cannot stress this enough. The stress of changing locations, etc., is enough to send any goat into worm bloom or worse.

Also, FYI, it's the last thing we do to any goat that leaves here (regardless of age). However, this is NOT the norm in "goat world". Ask me "why" we do this...

Frosted Mini's · #5 02/09/13, 05:41 PM

Yeah, I did that, and I guess the Baycox did NOT work, as she still had coccidia a week after using it...

I am not sure what is up with that, I know others are using it with great success. My bottle may have been old when I got it...it has no expiration date...I only got it last summer, so if it wasn't already old, I don't know what the deal is. A friend of mine pointed me to a product she uses called Deccox M. I think I will try this on my babies here on out that are being bottle-raised. Dam-raised kids, i guess I will have to do either Corid or Di-methox (or other brand of that product). I just can't trust the Baycox after this experience.

Frosted Mini's · #6 02/09/13, 05:43 PM

I don't usually dam-raise kids though, mostly it will be lambs that get the "other treatment".

I am sure that this kid probably had been more exposed to cocci than mine typically are...she came from a wet, moderate climate (W. OR), compared to dry and well-frozen S. Idaho...

Backfourty,MI. · #7 02/09/13, 05:53 PM

Our Mygoat here uses a medicated feed for her boer goats since they are dam raised & I believe she's had good luck with that. Might want to send her a message & use the same for your lambs.
I hope your girl rebounds nicely & is a bouncing baby in a couple days.

LoneStrChic23 · #8 02/09/13, 10:01 PM

I had something similar in a purchased kid...... Ended up doing a 14 day round of Di-Methox as recommended by my Vet, & moved the kid to clean ground after the 3rd day of treatment. Poor thing had some sort of bacterial infection (though no fever, just poor appetite, Vet said he had been dealing with it in some clients lamb crop....) & coccidia.Di-Methox is not just for killing cocci, it's also a sulfa, making it great for bacterial infections.

It was the first time I had seen cocci in a 12 day old kid and Baycox did NOT work with this kid.

Fed nothing but milk with 1/2 cup of kefir added to each bottle (no electrolytes or anything like that in their belly, less is more IMO & I don't like feeding babies anything but milk...If worried about dehydration, I'd do lactated ringers) and did the Di-Methox for 14 days. Cleared it right up, and by day 2 their appetite was awesome. Vet urged me not to go any less than 10 days with the Di-methox...... Some of the sheep people stopped on day 7, only to have symptoms return within 2 days..... He recommended 10 days minimum, and stated I could go a full 21 days if needed, just be sure not to skip doses or under dose...

So sorry you're dealing with this.... Been there, not fun.

Frosted Mini's · #9 02/09/13, 10:45 PM

I am almost ashamed to admit this, but I've sat in this doeling's pen, hugging her and balling my eyes out, because I was sure she was going to die. So far, that hasn't happened...

I am going to pick up a jug of off-brand di-methox before I run out of the Primor (which is pretty much SMZ-TMP, which is dimethox with another thing added in), and will continue their meds for longer...I may just go the full 21 days. How did your baby grow after all that?

This is the second day from the start of treatment with corid and Primor...buckling is doing great, doeling is still refusing milk...although I went out a little bit ago and she was excitedly sucking my finger, so perhaps she will want to eat by tomorrow. Mixing yogurt in the milk...don't have any kefir. I also stole some cud the other day, and will give them some more tonight.

LoneStrChic23 · #10 02/09/13, 11:24 PM

Aww, I'm so sorry...... I totally relate to how you're feeling. Just hang in there.

Our kid lagged behind on growth the first 2 months after... Only averaging 8-10lbs of gain per month. By the 3rd month after, gain was up to 12-14lbs a month. Had lost weight in the beginning from lack of appetite which isn't surprising..

Plain yogurt would be good, though I really prefer kefir as it has more good buggies..... Since you don't have any, I'd certainly add some plain yogurt to her bottles and maybe a bit of probiotic paste too.... With everything she's had I bet some good buggies along with her milk would help quite a bit.

A side note about Di-Methox, last year I used the 40% orally in a 3 month old I bought .... Afterwards she coughed, acted like she was at deaths door and was hoarse afterwards.... All kids hate it, but I had never seen such an extreme reaction....Seriously acted like her mouth was burned and wouldn't eat ANYTHING. I freaked out, but had to finish her round, so I ended up tubing her doses to her..... She didn't like it, but at least her mouth wasn't scorched. She remained hoarse, after just that one drenching, for 3 days..... Never had that happen before (and had used doses on other kids from the same bottle with no troubles), but if I were worried about lack of appetite, I'd be willing to tube the meds again over running the risk of making them not want to eat because their mouth hurts....I know that sounds weird, but after using Di-methox for years, that lil episode freaked me out and I really panicked, when 8 hours later the kid was still refusing all food....

Frosted Mini's · #11 02/09/13, 11:58 PM

The Primor stuff is a tablet...which I've been crushing up and mixing with water to dose them. They don't seem to care nearly as much about the taste of it as the Corid. Think I'll try the jug of the lower percent di-methox (even though you have to give more at a time), just in case it's the injection stuff that is irritating to the throat-thanks for that info!

Good news! She sucked the whole 20 oz bottle of electrolyte on her own! She actually wanted to SUCK!! I am still going to give one more dose of electrolyte in morning and start back up with milk in the afternoon. Think I'll start with milk 1/2 bottles so as not to overwhelm her, maybe for a day, then back to whole bottles, and also give her some yogurt and probios before the first time of re-offering milk, to get that gut flora ready to start digesting milk again.

The Tin Mom · #12 02/10/13, 12:08 AM

Praying for your girl! I have been off the forums so long, I had hoped to see an alls well at the end of this thread. Will keep watching!

Backfourty,MI. · #13 02/10/13, 06:50 AM

Sounds like maybe she's on the mend. Keep up the good work & I'll keep pulling for you & your little doeling.

Minelson · #14 02/10/13, 08:26 AM

Prayers she gets better!!! Sounds like she is turning around for you

Frosted Mini's · #15 02/10/13, 12:34 PM

Didn't want to suck her electrolytes this morning, so I tubed them in. Hopefully, she will again later.

mahnah · #16 02/10/13, 12:46 PM

Sending lots of healing energies to your lil girl hope she is bouncing around soon

anita_fc · #17 02/10/13, 06:22 PM

Praying for the best outcome on this, Neighbor (I'm 30 miles to the east of you)! I had one doeling go through a rough time with cocci last year (first time for me). It took two courses of treatment (dimethox) to beat it back. She remained smaller than everyone else the rest of the year, but she has spent the winter catching up with her peers. She is almost the same size as the other yearlings now. I sure hope your little girl comes through this. Agonizing for you!

Appreciate you sharing, as it is a good reminder to have a fecal done sooner rather than later when encountering problems. It was not the first thing I checked for either.

Oat Bucket Farm · #18 02/10/13, 06:35 PM

Keeping everything crossed she pulls through.

Frosted Mini's · #19 02/10/13, 08:21 PM

I should have checked the fecal first for sure! But, since I couldn't get poop from her at first, and I had already did the baycox and valbazen...I guess I just assumed she would have been good.. We all know what happens when you ASSume...

She sucked down her milk 1/2 bottle! She would have drank more, but I don't want to overwhelm her, so going to do 1/2 bottles for 24 hours, then back to full-feedings. Keep your fingers crossed folks, really appreciate your encouragement.

Alice In TX/MO · #20 02/10/13, 08:44 PM

Hang in there!