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Old 12/16/12, 09:21 PM
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I am pretty new to dealing with goats (about 8 months). I have 4, all of them are different breeds. I noticed my wether has got a case of worms (very visible when he poops). I've read that it's pretty normal for them to have them. But visibly seeing them I'm thinking is not good. I bought some DuMor Goat Dewormer from TSC a while back. I'm assuming I need to treat all 4 of my goats? Anyone have experience with this dewormer. It seems like I dose them by weight and it's only 1 dose?

Do I need to clean out the fence area where they stay (hay etc.) after a few days once they've pooped out the

I'd appreciate any helpful advise.

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Old 12/16/12, 09:30 PM
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Okay, although it will help if we know where you are (different wormers have different effectiveness in different areas. For example, Eprinectin still works well in my area, Cydectin, not so much, the parasites have built up a resistance.), I can still tell you a few things about Dumor:

1. It is a pelleted dewormer, and supposedly you just need to set it out, and your goats will eat it.

2. Your goats will NOT eat enough of it to do anything about the worms except give the worms a good resistance to it, if they even touch it at all.

3. Because of #2, DuMor *does not work* in any area that I know of in the U.S.

4. Worms are, too, a VERY big deal in goats. Worm overload will *kill* them.

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If you have a clean pen for them to go in, yes, that would probably be helpful. Maybe you could just clean the area up day of worming-if you have a separate pen, that they can go poop the worms and eggs out, then go back to their clean regular pen, that's probably even better. In reality, most people don't do all that, but it is ideal.

If you are seeing worms, they are likely tapeworms-that particular worm is visible with the naked eye (and doesn't necessarily mean they have a huge worm burden). Tapes actually aren't all that bad for them as far as health and nutrition are concerned-they are worse for us to look at than the goats to have. The only other worm I know that is visible without a m'scope is pinworms, and my goats seem to keep re-infecting themselves with the little b******s. Also not a huge concern for the goat-and I don't see them in the poop, but rather on the anus of the goat-they are very small, threadlike wormies.

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In other words, I would be more concerned with what worms are inside the goat that you can't see, than those tapes.

Oh, and don't know what the Dumor is, but probably won't work.

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Old 12/16/12, 09:40 PM
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~smiles~ FM, DuMor Pellet Wormer (as sold at TSC) is Morantel Tartrate, mixed with wheat middlings and some other stuff. It has been used so much as a goat dewormer for so long (as it is one of the few labeled ONLY for goats, so every new goat owner gets the stuff) that it pretty much won't kill anything nowadays.

They DO have dosage instructions on the label, 1/2 scoop per 25lbs of body weight, but that hasn't changed in the decade or so the stuff has been on the market.

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Oh, I have seen a Morantel dewormer, but the one around here is called "positive pellet". We don't have TSC's around here, but there are other stores similar.

Yeah, you'd probably have much better results chucking the bag at the goats to scare the worms out of them.

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Old 12/16/12, 09:50 PM
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What I have found on the stuff:

Brand Name: Rumatel
Active Ingredient(s): morantel tartrate
Availability: OTC
Withdrawal: 30 days before slaughter
Indications: Control of internal parasites
Dosage: Use to medicate feed at the rate of 0.44 grams per 100lbs.
Goat Notes: Mix crumbles in feed at the rate of 25 lbs. per ton. Use this as supplemental parasite control; continue worming with other products as needed. Worm goats thoroughly before starting on medicated feed.

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Basically, you need to use a real dewormer BEFORE you even start this stuff.

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Here is a good link to the different wormers & their dosages.
http://dairygoatinfo.com/index.php?P...1&topic=8934.0

I would treat for tapeworms & also get some Quest paste & treat them with that also. Quest will be sold in the equine section at most farm stores.
Good luck & Welcome to the goat forum.

I agree the pelleted goat wormer you bought won't do a thing for your goats. When we 1st got goats I did the same thing & bought the same stuff. I didn't even know this forum existed & just went to the store & bought that with out any ideas at all. I soon put that in the trash.

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Grrr that is very irritating they sell that stuff still, but they got their $15 or however much it was from me

I live in Central California (Visalia). I saw the worms hanging out of his anus, they were very long but seemed to go back up inside of him. (yuck, did I just say that lol)

Thanks so much for a quick response from everyone. I will look at the link Backfourty, MI! I understand what I purchased is not going to work, but hopefully the link we put me in the right direction.

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Old 12/17/12, 12:03 AM
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For Central California, what you want to get s Cydectin, either the injectable, or the pour-on variety. It is still VERY effective in your area.

Dosage is 3 times the label instruction by weight (If it says give 1ml per 50 pounds, give 3 ml per 50 lbs) given ORALLY. Yes, it will say to inject it or pour it on their back, *do not do that*. ALL wormers are given to goats ORALLY. So draw it up in a syringe and squirt it in their mouth.

Repeat the treatment in 10 days. Then you are done.

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Why do you guys always say the goats won't get enough of the pelleted wormer? Mine eat it up like its the tastiest thing.

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Mine also would eat it, when I did use it I would feed one pound per goat and always fed them seperated with each one eating their own share. I didn't have to mix it with anything like a sweet feed or anything. I didn't have any luck with it as a wormer but they would eat it. That was years ago, I now use quest and or Prohibit/Levasole. Prohibit is the best wormer for BarberPole Worms on the market and I see great results when using it.

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So would you recommend all 4 goats get the treatment or just the whether? I would think all 4, but I'd like your opinion. Also, I really don't know the weights on them. My whether is a Boer and he's much bigger than my 3 girls (x1 nigerian dwarf, x1 la mancha, x1 nubian mix)

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Yes, for sure do all 4 of your goats at this point.

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Why do you guys always say the goats won't get enough of the pelleted wormer? Mine eat it up like its the tastiest thing.
Your goats are eating it but worms are resistant to the chemical in those pellets. How & why the companies can still sell it is beyond me. I guess for all the new folks that don't know & just buy it because it says for goats & worms.

Have you ever had a fecal done on your goats? I would almost guarantee the pelleted wormer is just wasting your money.
You'd be much farther ahead to get Quest paste or Cydectin pour on & give it orally.
For tapes I would use Valbazen or you have to do a whole lot of Safeguard for tapes.
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So would you recommend all 4 goats get the treatment or just the whether? I would think all 4, but I'd like your opinion. Also, I really don't know the weights on them. My whether is a Boer and he's much bigger than my 3 girls (x1 nigerian dwarf, x1 la mancha, x1 nubian mix)
Get a goat weight tape. Available from many places - jefferslivestock.com is one. (Much cheaper than TSC, and free shipping over 49.00... which I always manage to go over... )

For such a small herd, Quest horse gel is probably the way to go for your herd because it's cheaper than buying a huge bottle of injectible or pour-on. It's a horse dewormer, SAME drug as in cydectin. Dose for the horse dewormer with goats is 1cc per 100lbs (4x as strong as the pour-on, which is dosed at 1cc per 22lbs).

Something to get tapeworms such as safeguard (3-4X label dose for 5 days in a row) or a horse dewormer with praziquantel will probably work. I believe the link already posted talks about Zimectrin Gold dewormer for goats? I'd use that. Looks like 1cc per 50lbs.
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There is also Quest Plus which has the same active ingredient as Cydectin and it also has Praziquantrel which kills taps as well. I use it on my kids and once a year on adults for tapes and barber pole worms... It is the same dose as regular Quest. 1 cc per 100 pounds given orally.

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ok so i went out and bought a syringe each of:

Zimecterin Gold: the syringe is enough to medicate a 1150 lb horse
*but I see 1cc/50 lbs (from previous poster "mygoat")

Quest Gel: the syringe is enough to medicate a 1250 lb horse.
*1cc/100 lbs (per poster "mygoat")

Do I use a child size syringe? I went to TSC and they were out of syringes. Also still need to buy a goat weight tape

I haven't done a fecal on them. Do you take them to the vet for that?

Thanks so much! Sorry I'm learning as I go.

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You take the goat pellets to the vet for fecal testing, not the whole goat.

Yes, this means you are following the goat around with a plastic zip lock bag waiting for FRESH poop to fall. About ten berries per goat is more than adequate. I use a separate bag for each goat (labeled), so I know who has what from the tests. You may want to find out what your vet charges per test first.

Use the tube that the dewormer is in. No need to transfer to another tube/syringe. Just set the knurled ring for the proper amount.

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Have any of you tried oil of oregano? It is all I have used so far, and my goats have no signs of worms. In fact all but one looks healthier then when I got it and the last is equally healthy as when I got her.

Works on people for parasite issues as well. Very strong actually. It works when parasites issues already have taken over in people atleast. That I can attest to from actual experience of myself and those I know including fecals to prove it.

Next summer I will be growing a range of plants and seeds with the same attributes additionally. Make them all a part of their daily diets. Perhaps I will learn the hard way but Im highly doubting I will have worm issues doing this.

I dont mean to make waves with the post, Im just curious if others use herbals means.

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