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12/06/12, 10:13 PM
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Greetings and any Advise?
I looked for a forum for new people to introduce themselves and upon not finding one I thought it best if I did so in the forum best suited to why I joined this site.
Hello, My name is Skye. I am 20 and have been raising goats for 8 years. I currently live on a campground where they are a petting zoo. My family used to have a decent size goat farm as a hobby to my mom and I, now they are solely for pets and for the campers. We have 6 does, one Nubian, her daughter a ND and Nubian cross, two NDs, and two pygmies.
One of these pygmies is currently sick. She is anemic, can't stand up, and has diarrhea. Whatever it is hit her fast as one day she was fine and the next she didn't have the strength to stand up, though she did have mild diarrhea a few days before. Such things have hit other members of our herd this year, starting with the babies. So far we have lost all that have come down with it and I really don't want to lose Sophie too. Anyone have any ideas? I have her on LA200 and going to give her the second dose tomorrow, an anti-diarrhea medicine, and a high iron diet. She perked up a bit, but she still has a long way to go.
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12/06/12, 10:21 PM
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How old is the pygmy with the problems?
What is her temp?
What is her diet?
Last deworming? What did you use and at what dose?
Eyelid color?
With your kids do you use coccidia prevention?
Welcome to the forum, sorry to bombard you, but the more info we have the better we can help 
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12/06/12, 10:24 PM
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Welcome!
I'm 22 and have been raising goats since I was 11 years old - so I love seeing others my age interested in goats!
Anti-diarrea medicine is pretty vague - more info would be beneficial. 
First - in adult goats with no recent diet change, diarrhea (especially accompanied with anemia) is MOST LIKELY caused by worm overload. Treatment with a wormer such as quest horse paste (moxidectin), 1ml per 100lbs, should be effective. What have you wormed with or what do you have on hand as a dewormer? Some are ineffective, some must be dosed at MUCH higher rates than labels state (or even higher than what most vets know - most vets have little/no quality small ruminant knowledge).
Next, I would consider E.coli scours or sallmonellosis (though fairly rare), or cocci load (also rare in adults). Most of these occur with poor management - poor nutrition causing stress/inability to fight off disease.
"Uncomplicated" diarrhea is often from rapid diet change or from events like when goats 'break in' to the feed room and gorge themselves on grain, chicken feed etc - this usually leads to enterotoxemia (overeating disease), or other digestive upset (bloat). This is treated by dosing with enterotoxemia Antitoxin, bloat-ease, close monitoring, electrolytes, feeding of high fiber 'bland' food (like grass hay ONLY), and offering of free choice baking soda.
You can also offer canned pumpkin, drench with pepto bismol or kaolin-pectate to help alleviate symptoms - none of these will CURE disease but offer support.
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12/06/12, 10:24 PM
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My first thought with the young ones is coccidia.
You'll need a bottle of Sulfadimethoxine (sold under di-methox for a brand name.. I buy generic).
You can buy the 40% injectable from Jeffers.... The dose is 1cc per 5lbs of body weight, given ORALLY for 5 days, no skipping days! Or you can buy a gallon of the 12.5% solution and give 3.2cc per 5lbs orally for 5 days.
A fecal test would be best to get a better idea of what's going on...
Ecoli could be a possible cause too....
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12/06/12, 10:26 PM
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Bah! Donna types faster than me!! 
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12/06/12, 10:52 PM
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She is about three to four years, we just got her last winter and the previous owner didn't know her exact age.
Not sure about body temp, I've been searching for the thermometer.
Hey eyelid is white and that changed yesterday from a light pink the day before.
She was dewormed in June with ivermectin of 1 4/5 for 60lbs.
As for coccidia prevention, I don't believe we did. We live in North Carolina and normally parasites are killed off in the cold winter, last winter was mild and this is the first outbreak we've seen in over five years. You grow a little complacent in that time.
That is her.
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12/07/12, 05:58 AM
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I don't understand the amount of Ivermectin you gave Sophie. But Dona & Crystal gave good advice & I would follow what they said & worm with Quest horse paste today.
Red cell would be helpful too since she's anemic.
Pulling for your Sophie & the rest of your goats & welcome to our wonderful Forum, sure wish it was under better circumstances for you though.
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12/07/12, 08:26 AM
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Get fecal tests on each goat. Check eyelid color on each goat. Check body condition on each goat.
Deworm with Quest, then in ten days with Cydectin.
Get coccidia meds. Use as required, based on fecal test results.
Read Goatkeeping 101 on dairygoatinfo.com
Hang in there!
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12/07/12, 08:33 AM
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Welcome to the forum. Sorry your girl is sick. You've been given good advice. I hope she gets better fast!
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12/07/12, 09:58 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Backfourty,MI.
I don't understand the amount of Ivermectin you gave Sophie. But Dona & Crystal gave good advice & I would follow what they said & worm with Quest horse paste today.
Red cell would be helpful too since she's anemic.
Pulling for your Sophie & the rest of your goats & welcome to our wonderful Forum, sure wish it was under better circumstances for you though.
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1 4/5 cc of Ivermectin?
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12/07/12, 06:40 PM
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Well everyone got to this before I could and given you the same advice I would give. So I will just say that I'm pulling for your girl.
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12/07/12, 06:56 PM
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Did you give the ivermectin injectible or oral?
Dewormers work best when given orally. A goat's metabolism is so fast that giving most dewormers as injectible results in the dewormer being cleared out of the body system before it is effective, and leads to dewormer resistance. Most goat raisers use cydectin pour on, ivermectin injectible (I use off-brand ivermectin plus), levamisole, or quest horse paste. All are given ORALLY - not as injectibles or pour ons. Draw the dose up with a syringe/needle out of the bottle of ivermectin, and remove the needle and squirt the wormer from the syringe into the mouth.
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12/08/12, 02:03 AM
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June was an injection. Since we had just got her I took it as an opportunity to see how she reacted to shots, all of them act different, I once had one that would try to climb up a fence in reaction to it, Sophie is just a cry baby and likes to shake her head. Anyways she is still hanging in there, I've started her on the Red Cell along with what I had her on before, her last dose of LA200 is Sunday and I can get the Quest Horse Paste Monday as that is the only day I can get to the vet before it closes. I work awkward hours>.>
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12/08/12, 05:21 AM
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Do you have a Tractor Supply near you? That's where I got my Quest...I don't think most vets carry it.
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12/08/12, 08:19 AM
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Quest horse gel in the green box is sold at places like Atwoods & TSC for about $10. 1cc per 100lbs (1/10cc per 10lbs) grab a 2cc leur slip syringe to put it in for dosing.
Giving her a big shot subq of injectable Fortified B Vitamins also wouldn't hurt (sold at TSC too)....
I would not wait until Monday to get the deworming started....
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12/08/12, 08:21 AM
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Oh & Quest & Cydectin are both the same drug, so you won't need to go by the Cydectin. Just repeat the Quest in 10 days.
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12/08/12, 10:24 AM
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The closest Tractor Supply is nearly two hours away, the only other place around her to buy supplies is this little store half an hour away, but they are never very well stocked. Unfortunately I don't have an option about the vet, she closes noon on Saturdays and isn't open Sundays. But I will give her a call after I get off at 4 and see if the hours have changed.
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12/08/12, 10:40 AM
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I would call your feed store first just incase they have it. It really is an emergency by the time they get white eyelids. The white eyelids are because she's anemic from parasites. It's common we see it a lot on here so don't feel bad. We have all learned on a really hard learning curve. Hang in there. She's a cutie BTW.
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12/09/12, 04:55 PM
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She passed and the feed store here is the vet. We don't live in a very goat popular place.
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