Bonsai - update

dunroven · #1 10/26/12, 01:47 PM

Okay, today I gave him the last 5 cc of Ivermectin (3 day treatment). I have given him the second 6 cc of Red cell (7 day treatment), and I gave him 6 ounces (all he would drink) of a baby bottle of Resorb.

Last night I gave him an adult dose of Pepto-Bismol.

Today he is still laying down. He's not eating oats or goat feed, but I did put some alfalfa in there and he ate a bit of it. His poop is like a huge puddle of dull green pudding.

Now I'm thinking to take out the oats and goat feed and just put liberal amounts (which my amounts are liberal on it) of alfalfa hay in there and keep him eating that and try to get him to drink warm water. I think I will give him the yogurt and a some TUMS (I read about that on another post) and probably some Pepto-Bismol again to try to firm up the poops.

What do you think of this plan?

Oh the jaw is still swollen, BUT it is a lot softer today.

cayenne47 · #2 10/26/12, 02:04 PM

Quit the grain, it only adds to the diarrhea problem. Just REGULAR grass hay, the alfalfa is pretty rich on a sick tummy. Keep up on the pepto--a couple times a day won't hurt.If you can get him to take some yogurt, that also helps to reset his gut, mine liked the strawberry. Also MAKE him get up and move. If they are down too long, they never get up. If you can get some Vit B into him, that will also help his appetite and may give him a boost.
Hope this helps....sucks when you try everything and nothing seems to work

dunroven · #3 10/26/12, 02:11 PM

Yeah, it sure does. This is day 3 of this and I'm not certain we are progressing any, but I also know that if I don't keep trying, he will definitely die, so maybe something will click somewhere.......I hope! Thanks!

Well, I went out to get some yogurt and wouldn't you know, its all gone. ARGGHHH Now is there anything else that could work? Someone on another thread said something about clabbered milk. I could make that, if it might work.

JBarGFarmKeeper · #4 10/26/12, 02:13 PM

Use baycox or Di-Methox on him too! And ditto the above. Cocci can take hold in adults, especially when compromised.

cayenne47 · #5 10/26/12, 02:17 PM

Thanks Gena...I knew I forgot something.
Yep cocci can attack adults too and will take them fast, Ask me how I know

TSC should have the Di-meth.
Good luck.

dunroven · #6 10/26/12, 02:48 PM

I went out and gave him 4 tums and 10 cc of Pepto-Bismol. He's too weak to stand. I tried to get him to stand and his legs are just like rubber. I don't know if I'm losing the battle or he just needs to have a day or so more to get this red cell working in him and trying to clear out the scours. I just don't know. Getting pretty discouraged here.

Minelson · #7 10/26/12, 04:54 PM

Another thing that helps with loose stool is raw canned pumpkin. You can try that maybe. Hang in there...the frustration is so hard to deal with. sending you hugs ((((HUGS))))

Nancy_in_GA · #8 10/26/12, 05:57 PM

If he is too weak to stand, does he have easy access to water? Is he still drinking? If he has diarrhea he is probably completely dehydrated. That will cause him to be very weak. You most likely need to get him hydrated and quickly. Might have to resort to lactated ringers. It might not be the initial problem, but it's the important symptom you need to address now if that's the case.

dunroven · #9 10/26/12, 08:04 PM

He has access to fresh water, plus I am giving him resorb in baby bottles several times a day. I gave him Pepto-Bismol 3 times today and he's firming up on the stools some and then I also gave him 4 Tums, and just now gave him Yogurt. He nearly tore the little bowl out of my hands trying to get that yogurt. At first he didn't want it, but after I put some in his mouth, he went right after it! LOL A little earlier, when I gave him the last dose of Pepto and bottle of resorb, he tried very hard to stand up. I'm hoping that tomorrow he will be able to make it. He has also been eating a bit of alfalfa and a bit of grass hay, so he's getting food in. His eyes are bright and he acts like he is feeling better, so I'm hoping morning will bring a turn around. We'll see!

Alice In TX/MO · #10 10/26/12, 08:19 PM

Do you have any rennet for making cheese?

KrisD · #11 10/26/12, 08:24 PM

I wouldn't keep adding, taking away and changing his feed it really screws them up and is downright dangerous. Keep him on hay and the alfalfa pellets. Encourage him to drink with some goat Gatorade. Give him a banana peel and all the potassium is good or them. I never give bucks grain of any kind because of the possibility of UC.
You are doing the best you can. Hang in there! He's still fighting or he would be gone by now. You can add the weight back later so don't worry about it too much. Right now you just need to let his rumen get back on track and get his strength up. Remember a lot of dairy does loose weight like crazy and they eventually put it back on. If you keep changing his food I.e grain he will continue to scour. Keep him well hydrated and give some solumet to slow down the poop.

dunroven · #12 10/26/12, 08:24 PM

That's something else that we have to order in here. We can get liquid pectin and Sure-gel, but no rennet. I wanted to make goat cheese and can't do it without a lot of expense.

vpierce · #13 10/26/12, 08:33 PM

Have you tried giving him Fastrack?? I use the tube/paste when they dont feel good and use the powder everyday in their grain. ConKlin makes it. I use it with all my animals. It really works.

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GoldenWood Farm · #14 10/26/12, 08:39 PM

I just went through my buck going down hard in August and while he access to water with the runs he had he was so dehydrated and didn't feel good I had to make sure he got some. An adult goat should drink at least a gallon of fluid a day, how much do you think he is getting? If you don't think that much I would drench him with pedialyte. You would be surprised how fast dehydration brings them down and how weak it makes them.

Granted with my fellow we also where in some of the hottest parts of the year (100 degree weather) so it was a double whammy for him. Everything else I would say you are on par with though I would loose the alfalfa pellets until his stool gets firmer. When I have a goat that I fear might have an upset stomach they just get hay until their system is back to normal. Also I am not sure if you have been giving it to him but probiotics are a must (which probably is why you are giving him the yogurt which is great).

I would though if you are worried about him being dehydrated giving him pedialyte or gatorade. It won't hurt him any, if he doesn't need it he will just pee it out.

I hope he pulls through for you! Sounds like he is a fighter

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Justine

dunroven · #15 10/26/12, 08:48 PM

I don't have any Fastrack.

I think he is getting pretty close to the gallon of water a day. I have been going out about once an hour and giving him a 9 ounce baby bottle full of water. Don't want to overload his stomach all at once, but yeah, I think he is getting close to that.

As far as the alfalfa pellets, I don't use those. This is alfalfa hay and grass hay. I put them side by side in the pen with him, and let him have his choice, since not everyone agrees on whether to give it to him or not. I did remove all grain for now.

The resorb is the equivalent of pedialyte or gatorade, except it is electrolytes for animals, so its a good thing for him. Gotta try to get more of that tomorrow, or I may make my own electrolytes. See folks, its 25 miles in any direction to get to a store for me, so I can't just make trips, so I have to buy what will last for a 2-week period for us. We can't afford going back and forth, plus only one vehicle and my husband is using that for his pastor details, and he picks up what I need if I call and he is close where he can.

Yep, the yogurt is for the probiotics stuff. Well, we'll see what happens tomorrow.

Oh, how much yogurt are you guys giving? I am figuring 1 little cup of it daily?

KrisD · #16 10/26/12, 09:02 PM

Sorry I misread and thought you had alfalfa pellets. Your doing fine. I had a doe go down like your buck. Same thing. She did pull through but boy did she get skinny. Grain will add to his scours. Use what you have. We can help figure it out. Pepto or kaopectate will both work you don't need the Sulmet it just works a little better is all.
Keep up the yogurt is has probiotics in it. Any hay is fine. Yeah alfalfa is a bit rich but hey he has to eat something right? It won't kill him and it won't make it worse.

My girl foundered because of grain. She was too sensitive to it even in small amounts.
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dunroven · #17 10/26/12, 09:14 PM

Thanks Kris! I'll take down that information and be in touch with you if I need some more help. We'll see what tomorrow brings though. The way he tackled that yogurt, I'm thinking he will be really doing good with that tomorrow!

So is one little carton of yogurt a day good, or do I need to do more than that?

Backfourty,MI. · #18 10/26/12, 10:09 PM

I would give him 1 container(like the 6 or 8 oz size) a day.
Not sure what's in your resorb compared to electrolyte water but here we can get the powdered gatorade & mix it up with water. It's much cheaper that way than buying it already mixed in the bottles.

I make up a homemade electrolyte water solution for my does' when they kid or if anyone is feeling a bit Off & they drink it right down. It surely can't hurt him if he likes it & it causes him to drink more.
It's 1 liter warm water
2 TBSP. Honey or sugar
1/4 tsp salt
1/4 tsp. baking soda

Also if you have a bale of straw or hay I would (with some help) try & get him up over theat bale a couple times a day if possible. It will help him to be moving around a bit & give his legs a little support so maybe he can move them around a bit.
Massaging his legs, etc. may also be good for him at this time too.

I'll be keeping my fingers crossed for you & you Bonsai.

CaliannG · #19 10/26/12, 10:30 PM

I can't think of anything else except to keep doing what you are doing and pray.

You are keeping him hydrated, you are giving him hay, he has had a heavy de-worming cycle, you are giving him yogurt for probiotics, you are feeding him Red Cell to combat his anemia (which also has copper in it)....

Get him up and moving if you can, it helps keep their rumen functioning....

Other than that, pray. You are *certainly* letting God know that you are doing your best to help yourself, and that you are doing all you can alone.....He can surely see that. So pray for a helping hand in this.

luvzmybabz · #20 10/27/12, 02:57 AM

As for the yogurt are you making sure it has the live cultures. I had something bizarre going on with my gut this last week. I got super super dehydrated did not realize I was not peeing and did not for over 3 days, but was spending lots of time in the restroom, I re-lryiced the Johhny Cash song "burning Ring of Fire". I have a refrigerator stocked with yogurt as I am really picky about my yogurt and the store sis not have my usual so hunny bought 3 cases of different yogurt. I have been having at least 2 a day, I wonder if your goat shold have more then once a day since things seem to be going through him so quickly. So I was dehydrated even though I cut out caffiene Diet Dr Pepper runs through my veins instead of blood. And drank tons of water and gatorade even though even that cramped my stomach so you might check under him and check for a wet spot. Also I can not remember if there was a tempature listed before or not you may want to take this as in humans a tempature can not only be a symptom it can also be an effect of illness and if he is running a temp he needs even more fluids. Also what is the air temp like up there?

Sorry this post isso scatter brain its too late to be up but I can't sleep.