what do you think of this for a feed?

[dunroven]

Okay, now I know it doesn't have copper in it, and I'm finding I'm going to have to do boluses on that, and will but for protein and as a way to build my buck back up, what do you think?

Crude Protein 40.0000%
Lysine 2.4000%
Crude Fat 2.0000%
Crude Fiber 6.0000%
Calcium (CA) (Min)2.5000%
Calcium (CA) (Max) 3.5000%
Phosphorus (P) 1.5500%
Salt (NACL) (Min)2.1000%
Salt (NACL) (Max) 2.6000%
Selenium (SE) (Min) 0.5800 ppm
Zinc (ZN) (Min) 350.0000 ppm

Ingredients: Plant protein products, animal protein products, processed grain by-products, salt, calcium carbonate, L-Lysine, choline chloride, manganese sulfate, mangous oxide, copper sulfate, zinc sulfate, ethylenediamine dihydrolide, ferrous sulfate, copper chloride, roughage products, vitamin a, vitamin e, calcium pantothenate, niacin, riboflavin menadione dimethylpyrinidinol bisulfite, vitamin d3 and sodium selenite.

Now this is Purina New Balance 40 concentrate for sows, but with the protein in here, and the iron, I'm seeing, although not a huge amount (ferrous sulfate), and tiny bits of copper, I'm wondering if this wouldn't be a good top dress for my buck's feed?

Let me know what you all think please

[dbarjacres]

Its a pig feed and has animal products as the second ingredient and low in fat. Look into horse feeds.

[Alice In TX/MO]

Nonononono Animal proteins? No.

[Cannon_Farms]

I may have 5 dogs trying to steal my chicken off the grill but never my goats. Stay away from animal proteins and urea

[KrisD]

Do not feed vegetarian animals animal protein! Use alfalfa pellets and black oil sunflower seeds to build him back up. Goats were NOT meant to consume animal parts nor that much protein.

[Ford Zoo]

What are you building them back up from-busy breeding season? Use lots of good hay, and if you are having a time finding a decent feed in your area, look into all purpose 14-16% feeds (but watch the ingredients, again for animal byproducts and calcium: phosphorus ratio) and top dress with the BOSS for added fat. They probably need fat more than protein now. I see some people topdressing with beet pulp to, I think that adds carbs and definatly fiber.

I'm thinking too much protein can cause kidney damage over time.

I personally don't feed my boys alfalfa b/c of higher calcium and risk of getting stones, but some people do with good results. If I were to feed alfalfa, they would be getting extra ammonia chloride with their feed.

[dunroven]

LOL, I get the message. I figured that with the animal protein, but it is a meal, and I thought (if you read my other threads about him you'll see why I want to bring him back up), with the protein so high, it might energize him along with the red cell I'm giving. He's just incredibly weak and I don't want to go out and find him dead after all of this work on him. I'm really trying hard to pull a rabbit out of the hat.

Folks, I don't have access to alot of the things you are talking about. I can get the BOSS, but in all that you mentioned, that's just about it. No beet pulp that I can buy around here, and I'm not going to go into all of it again, for time's sake, cause I have to go to work, but read my threads on My buck, and Johnes and all of that, and you'll see. My goat actually has Barberpole worms and bottlejaw.

I won't give him this feed though. Just trying for high protein.

Thanks!

[MDKatie]

40% protein is crazy high

[LoneStrChic23]

If you wanna boost protein, ask around for a knock off Calf Manna..... It's a high protein, soy based pellet meant for herbivores

I'd save my money on the BOSS & just top dress his grain with a bit of oil instead. He'll get more fat that way at a cheaper price.... Then you can just feed him normal goat feed. Make sure he's getting alfalfa in some form to give him enough calcium to offset all that phosphorus in his diet. Long stem fiber of some sort (grass hay, browse) for a healthy rumen. Good minerals, baking soda out free choice & make all changes gradually.

I have brought back sickly animals with just grain top dressed with oil, alfalfa, good minerals & long stemmed goodies for the rumen.... I personally wouldn't spring for the Calf Manna, between alfalfa & grain, he'll get plenty of protein.

[Manchamom]

I use Purina Mini horse and Pony for my old guy. It's east to chew small pellets. 13% protein and 4.5% fat. The fat's most important.Real High protein makes them less hungry so they end up eating less.

[CaliannG]

Valerie, fat is far more important to goats than protein. Protein is only important to pregnant and lactating does (because in the former,they are pouring protein into their kids, and in the latter, they are pouring protein into their milk.).

As was mentioned, get cheap, pure vegetable oil and top-dress alfalfa pellets with it. NO grain concentrated feed is going to be cheaper than plain alfalfa pellets, and you can get store brand veggie oil for pennies per ounce.

If you want to make sure he eats it, add 1/2 teaspoon of table sugar to 1 ounce of warm veggie oil and mix thoroughly, then pour on top of his alfalfa. He'll eat it, he'll like it, and he'll gain back weight. Also, it's cheaper.

[KrisD]

The problem is he is super weak, scouring and she lives 25 miles from the nearest feed store.