My Bucks, Please give your Feedback

PakistaniFarmer · #1 10/23/12, 02:48 AM

I need feedback about appearance and health

My Bucks, Please give your Feedback - Goats

Queue Goat Farm: Eid Bucks for 2012

mammabooh · #2 10/23/12, 07:02 AM

Why does it say "Teeth 2"? Do they only have two teeth? And, why does it say "bucks" if they are castrated? Is that just how it is in your country? Here, we call castrated bucks "wethers".

How old are they? They look quite steep in the rear end, but I'm a novice. I'm sure others will come on here soon and give their opinions.

That second one sure has pretty markings on his face!

Alice In TX/MO · #3 10/23/12, 07:09 AM

If castrated, what does it matter? I'm confused.

ozark_jewels · #4 10/23/12, 07:22 AM

Good condition, eyes shiny, nose clear, smooth hair coat. I'd say these boys are in quite good health!

Speaking for appearence, I like the breed character on both of them, and the colour. Lovely ears on #2!
I'd like to see a better topline and less steep rump. But as these are wethers and will not be contributing to the gene pool, it doesn't really matter.

I think the "Teeth 2" is up there to tell you they are young.

ne prairiemama · #5 10/23/12, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ozark_jewels

Good condition, eyes shiny, nose clear, smooth hair coat. I'd say these boys are in quite good health!

Speaking for appearence, I like the breed character on both of them, and the colour. Lovely ears on #2!
I'd like to see a better topline and less steep rump. But as these are wethers and will not be contributing to the gene pool, it doesn't really matter.

I think the "Teeth 2" is up there to tell you they are young.

I agree and you really are a Pakastani farmer huh!? I thought it was just a name someone had chosen. How neat. How long have you had goats? We have had ours about 4 years.

The spots on your 2nd one are really cute.

Ford Zoo · #6 10/23/12, 09:33 AM

What breed are these? #4 has such long ears! Is there dairy mixed in that one? I see a boer head behind him in the second picture. And #2 has long legs, how tall do you think he'll get?

I think they look nice. What is their main diet? How do your goats do for parasite resistance? If you milk them, how much do they give? I'm just curious about your herd practices compared to here.

Thanks for sharing!

CaliannG · #7 10/23/12, 12:32 PM

Those are Jamunipari goats, aren't they? I love the ears! My husband would likely sell his left arm for a breeding pair of Jamunipari.

On health: They look sturdy and well. No severe deficiencies in diet. If I were you, though, I would supplement selenium in their diet. The top one looks to be at risk for becoming down in the pasterns. Selenium would fix that.

On general appearance and conformation: Their rumps are too steep. While these are castrated, so it doesn't really matter as they are not future breeding stock, look to your herd and start selecting for rumps that are nearly level with their topline. The reason for this is that a nearly level rump adds more strength to the rear skeletal frame...and stronger skeletal frames can support more weight and mass. It also makes for easier birth in does, and allows more room for udder development.

Other than the rump, those are two, very beautiful, goats you have there.

For the rest of the forum: The "2 teeth" means that the goat is from lines that have mutated, making for a bite that causes the "punch faced" look. The "punch faced" look is considered very beautiful in the Middle East and Africa and the trait is highly sought after.

See my thread I want a 600lb goat... for more extreme examples.

ozark_jewels · #8 10/24/12, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by CaliannG

For the rest of the forum: The "2 teeth" means that the goat is from lines that have mutated, making for a bite that causes the "punch faced" look. The "punch faced" look is considered very beautiful in the Middle East and Africa and the trait is highly sought after.

Interesting.........

Alice In TX/MO · #9 10/24/12, 01:23 PM

There are all sorts of standards for beauty, aren't there?

Shayanna · #10 10/24/12, 01:53 PM

I must say I think number 4 is beautiful!

Kshobbit · #11 10/24/12, 04:44 PM

They are both nice looking animals. I know nothing of the breed, and am impressed that CallieAnn knows so much about them.
If they are meat bucks they are not as wide and muscular as the breeds I am used to i.e. Boers and Kikos. That said, I love the second buck's(buck #04) markings, ears and nose. In the USA, people will more likely buy a colorful goat.
I am also interested in what you feed, and what they forage on, and if they are dual purpose like the Nubians, milk and meat, or just strictly for meat. Thank you.

CaliannG · #12 10/24/12, 05:21 PM

~smiles~ KsHobbit, they are dual purpose like the Nubians. Nubians are descended from Jamunipari.

In India, Pakistan...Africa and the Middle East, basically, they are the most used breed for both meat and dairy.

I think most folks on here would be a bit shocked by the udders, though. In the Middle East, they milk from behind the goat, so they breed for udders that are heavy on the back side, and teats that either stick out to the sides, or point rather backwards. They also breed for longer fore-udder attachments than we do, which makes sense, since the goats are trained to be milked with their legs together, and pushing all of their udder out behind them.

And the only reason I know about them is that my husband saw a picture of one, fell in love with the breed, and I therefore ended up researching everything I could about them, to see if we could get some for him. It is unfortunate that it is illegal to ship goats, embryos, or frozen semen from anywhere BUT New Zealand.

Hey ani! Does New Zealand allow goat, embryo, or frozen semen imports from India or Pakistan?

Backfourty,MI. · #13 10/24/12, 05:32 PM

So Cool seeing goats from another country & I too would be interested in hearing about your goat management.
Too bad Caliann can't get a couple kids from Pakistani farmer snuck in under a jacket!

CaliannG · #14 10/24/12, 05:40 PM

~laughs~ edgefarmer would DANCE if I could get him a couple of uncastrated bucks from Pakistanifarmer! edgefarmer would lose any dignity he might have once possessed if he were gifted with that!

Dreamgoat Annie · #15 10/24/12, 07:59 PM

I think they're lovely!

Regarding terminology, while researching one of my books I was surprised to learn that Boers in South Africa are referred to as rams and ewes:
SA Boer Goat Breeders' Association | SA Boer Goat Breed Standards

Sue

Squeaky McMurdo · #16 10/24/12, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by CaliannG

Does New Zealand allow goat, embryo, or frozen semen imports from India or Pakistan?

Have a look at MAF Biosecurity. I know only cats and dogs (or rabbits from Australia) can be imported as pets. It involves a 30 day quarantine and 6 months of preparation beforehand. I'm sure there is info on importing livestock there somewhere.

Make sure to share, we still plan to move there in the next 3 years and it would be awesome if I didn't have to sell my goats.

CaliannG · #17 10/24/12, 09:08 PM

There is info on importing livestock.....but very little info on importing semen, except for one page on the rules for importing canine semen.

Squeaky McMurdo · #18 10/24/12, 09:17 PM

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Reporting obligations for owners of imported cattle, buffalo, sheep, goats and deer or embryos and semen from these animals.

Learn more about the obligations for owners of imported cattle, buffalo, sheep, goats and deer or call the Imported Animal Freephone on 0800 623 555.

It looks like you can call them regarding semen and embryos

ozark_jewels · #19 10/24/12, 10:17 PM

I went to a show that had a South African judge. He was caucasion, but his family had been in South Africa for generations on generations. Just loved listening to him talk! I learned a lot from him. After the show we sat around and looked at the photo albums he had brough with him. He had some beautiful Boer goats and sheep also. One of my fondest goat show memories.

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Originally Posted by Dreamgoat Annie

I think they're lovely!

Regarding terminology, while researching one of my books I was surprised to learn that Boers in South Africa are referred to as rams and ewes:
SA Boer Goat Breeders' Association | SA Boer Goat Breed Standards

Sue

ani's ark · #20 10/25/12, 02:14 AM

Sorry, arrived late to the thread. I know we have vets here who travel to India and Pakistan to do embryo transfers and insemination, but they cannot bring tissues or live goats back in, only take out of NZ and work overseas.
BUT...if you wanted to get some embryos into NZ you could probably follow MAF quarantine procedures and pay through both nostrils for a permit to get it here. Then you'd implant and quarantine at birth, get them out again....beats me...
I should start selling NZ feral goat bucklings online I think!