Bleeding after putting in CIDR

lasergrl · #1 10/19/12, 07:21 PM

I have a doeling that needed a CIDR. It was very hard to get the cidr in. I actually gloved up and went in to see what was up. She was very narrow, hardly could get my finger in. I tried to kinda gently stretch things a bit. The CIDR did go in easy but remained protruding just slightly. This doeling is going on 2 years old and not any smaller then any others Ive used the CIDR on, but, I never have used one on a doe that hadnt kidded before so this might be the difference.
There was about 6 drops worth on blood seeping out around the CIDR once I was done. There hasnt been any more bleeding.

Is this normal??? Should I be very worried or should I not be using them on first time doe, or nigerians that are young?

JBarGFarmKeeper · #2 10/19/12, 08:09 PM

I, too, have tried to use CIDRs on 2-3yo virgin does. I, too, have had issues. I, too, gloved up and inserted "a" finger (as it was a ND doe). What I felt was a tight ring of tissue with a hole in the center that was smaller than the tip of my finger. This was very informative for me. The ring was something like a hymen, I think. I abandoned the CIDR at that point as the "wings" have to "grasp" something and we have had does pull them out if they weren't "neatly" tucked in to where they couldn't get a hold.

Don't be surprised if your CIDR goes missing.

lasergrl · #3 10/19/12, 08:33 PM

That is exactly what I felt, the very tight ring. That is what I tried to stretch, and it did to some degree stretch.
This exact same thing happened to another doeling of similiar size so I didnt think it was a hermie situation or anything.
The bleeding is what had me concerned, it happened to both does. The first doe I just pulled it out and said forget it (did not feel around inside at all). The other doe, belongs to a friend and we want to take her to an outside buck so we are hoping for the best.
I may just try and stretch things a little more if this one is pulled out. I do have a spare CIDR. I just dont want to do any permanant damage to her!

anita_fc · #4 10/19/12, 08:39 PM

Dumb question: what is cdir?

Anita from Idaho
Dan-Ani Pygmy Goats
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anita_fc · #5 10/19/12, 08:40 PM

Er... cidr, that is.

Anita from Idaho
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JBarGFarmKeeper · #6 10/20/12, 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by anita_fc

Er... cidr, that is.

Anita from Idaho
Dan-Ani Pygmy Goats
DAN-ANI PYGMY GOATS | Hansen Twin Falls Idaho

This...
https://animalhealth.pfizer.com/site...ages/CIDR.aspx

Sherry in Iowa · #7 10/20/12, 09:09 AM

Anita..I'm glad you asked because I didn't know either..lol!

Now that I do know..I don't think I'd touch it with a ten foot pole. I guess that shows ya'll what a backwards person I am. I wouldn't take stuff like that for myself (human form), so I guess I wouldn't do it to my girls either.

But, I applaud people who are not afraid to do this kinda thing to their animals. I'd be way too nervous..lol.

CaliannG · #8 10/20/12, 01:57 PM

Sherry, all it is, is progesterone. Same stuff that is in the Pill, or the birth control shot. So, if you have ever taken birth control, you have put the same stuff in your body.

**mygoat** · #9 10/20/12, 02:11 PM

Progesterone is necessary for heat cycles and carrying fetuses to term. Not scary in the least.

Goat Servant · #10 10/20/12, 03:16 PM

ok. an other dumb question. What size are these things?

lasergrl · #11 10/20/12, 04:17 PM

About the size of an average tampon

**mygoat** · #12 10/20/12, 04:19 PM

Smaller than a tampon, IMO.

With wings folded up, they're about as long as my pinkie and as big around. When not folded up, they're half the length tall but the wings stick out to either side like a T to hold it in place.

wintrrwolf · #13 10/20/12, 06:58 PM

Ok am curious as to how many breeders use this method?

JBarGFarmKeeper · #14 10/20/12, 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wintrrwolf

Ok am curious as to how many breeders use this method?

You'd be surprised. Quite a few.

goatlady · #15 10/20/12, 07:37 PM

Why?? May be a regional thing? Raised goats for 20 years out west and never heard of anyone in my area using it.

lasergrl · #16 10/20/12, 08:11 PM

Well, they are good for timing heat cycle for an outside buck breeding, for AI, and I think it can be handy for small doeling FF as you have a better chance of not getting that awful large single kid that FF are good at making. The PG 600 causes multiple births so easier for the doe to kid also.

CaliannG · #17 10/20/12, 09:02 PM

goatlady, they have only been in real use for the last 5 years.

People with, basically, free range meat herds do not bother with them. Why would they?

However, they have been an invaluable tool for those of us that need to time heat cycles and breeding dates for whatever reason.

They get rid of the "silent heat" and trying to guess who is cycling, which makes hand breeding a LOT easier. The raise the success rate of A.I. by 25%, which if you are buying expensive straws, makes a big difference. If you need all of your does to give birth within a certain time period, it is invaluable. If you want to space out when your does give birth so that you are not overwhelmed, it is also invaluable.

It's just a very useful tool.

KrisD · #18 10/21/12, 01:35 AM

I use them too, they rock! Easy way to breed and no guessing if someone is in heat. Easy way to time your kiddings as well. All my does are getting them this year!

lasergrl · #19 12/15/12, 03:42 PM

Just to update, both doelings that the CIDR didnt fit it, are pregnant. Biotracking results in a few days ago.
One doeling I said forget it and let my buck take care of it.
The second we let the CIDR hang out and hoped for the best.
The lute/pg 600 worked like a charm, she was in raging heat.

So there was nothing anatomically wrong with these doelings like some told me on another forum, they just were a little too small for the CIDR. Bred just fine.

andabigmac · #20 12/15/12, 06:48 PM

Great News! Can't wait to see pictures of the the little cuties. And to clarify, that would be pictures of babies and not CIDRs.