Help! Something is wrong with Gretta!

Minelson · #1 09/21/12, 07:14 AM

She was heading out the door toppled over and now she is just standing there shaking. Eyelids pale! I'm headed out to get a temp. I need Vit B complex dosage. I am freaking out here and I crying. She won't eat.

andabigmac · #2 09/21/12, 08:05 AM

Deep breathes. Gretta needs you right now. Could she have gotten into something? Too much grain last night? Does she appear bloated? I would hit her with everything right now B-Complex, baking soda, Pepto, CD Antitoxin, banamine, Thiamine, whatever won't hurt her until we can figure this out. Are her eyes twitching or stargazing? Diarrhea? When was she wormed?

eta: Vit B complex is 5cc per 100lbs. She will expel any excess. She can't OD on this. IM first one. SQ after that.

PNP Katahdins · #3 09/21/12, 08:14 AM

Prayers sent your way for Gretta and for you.

Peg

April · #4 09/21/12, 08:18 AM

B Complex is 4 cc's per 100 pounds. If you're going for the Thiamin, that's not enough though. Is she still shaking? Any other symptoms?

FrogTacos · #5 09/21/12, 08:22 AM

If the eyes are twitching hightail it to Walmart, buy a bottle of B1 in the vitamin section, grind up (or powder between spoons) 20 of them bad boys, add just enough water or nutridrench to get it into an oral syringe or drencher - and get it in her.

Ive done 20 tablets (250mg EACH) over a couple hours and pulled my girl back from dern near death.

Backfourty,MI. · #6 09/21/12, 08:42 AM

The fortified Vit. B complex that's over the counter I always give 2ml per 35 pounds of body weight. I know we've all had a different dosage for this here but like someone else said you cannot overdose her on this.

I 2nd the C & D Antitoxin.
Did you get a temp or any other symptoms yet? When was she wormed last? Wonder about menengeal worm?

Hugs to you Michele, I am pulling for both of you. If anything I can do from this distance just let me know.

The Tin Mom · #7 09/21/12, 08:50 AM

Oh, Minelson! ((((hugs!)))).

What is her temp?

I third the CD&T! Sometimes I wonder if I had given Cami that sooner if she would have made it.

Greta is in our prayers!

Minelson · #8 09/21/12, 09:06 AM

Ok...just got back from the vet. She has a fever but I didn't ask the exact temp. Her lugs had a little bit of congestion. He gave her 4.5 cc Nuflor and 1.5 Banamine. He checked her mouth again. Can't see anything wrong there. She is trembling on and off. She ate a cookie but seemed to have trouble chewing it. She seems weak and unstable. The vet was in a hurry. He offered to do boodwork but I opted not to. She is not bloated. I gave 3 cc's of Ivermectin. The vet was a little in a hurry. I kinda stormed in there with her.

TRAILRIDER · #9 09/21/12, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by April

B Complex is 4 cc's per 100 pounds. If you're going for the Thiamin, that's not enough though. Is she still shaking? Any other symptoms?

Is that the same dosage for B-12?

Minelson · #10 09/21/12, 09:14 AM

Stool is normal no eye twitching or star gazing.

Minelson · #11 09/21/12, 09:19 AM

I have the CD Anti toxin loaded to give....but wouldn't I just use that for over eating? She did not get into anything or over eat anything. It's not lush here at all due to the drought. She has been a little "off" lately but I thought it was just becasue of all changes here with the baby donk and moving the baby goats in with them.
I'm headed out to get her actual temp and give her the b complex. I have to get to work too!! I'm 1-1/2 late already and it takes a 1/2 hour to get there.

Minelson · #12 09/21/12, 09:49 AM

I gave her 20 cc cd antitoxin and 5 cc of b complex...

Minelson · #13 09/21/12, 09:54 AM

I just took a sedative..I'm shaking more than she is and it's too early to drink

The Tin Mom · #14 09/21/12, 10:23 AM

Hang in there! We are all pulling for you and Gretta! ((((hugs)))).

Can you call in sick? Would they understand?
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andabigmac · #15 09/21/12, 10:30 AM

Is the Banamine kicking in yet? She'll probably be feeling better in no time. If she doesn't get her appetite back up you could try tempting her with a door-to-door salesman. Get better soon Gretta.

You're a good goat mom, Minelson.

lasergrl · #16 09/21/12, 10:34 AM

I would give cydectin and red cell. I would probably wait until tomorrow to give the cydectin since had ivermectin today. For really bad worm loads I like to give dewormers 2 days in a row, and repeat it in 10-14 days. Thats what seems to work for me.
I am having the same issue right now with a little nigerian with a bad worm load. She just has been quiet for a the last week, laying down alot. Maybe the worms are secondary to the uri, but, if she is that pale it may be why she is acting so off and weak (anemic).

Cannon_Farms · #17 09/21/12, 11:00 AM

I had a doe do this it was a black widow bite.

Strange Bear · #18 09/21/12, 11:03 AM

I don't have any answers for you but am pulling for you and Gretta.

Backfourty,MI. · #19 09/21/12, 11:31 AM

I have to go to work this afternoon & don't get home until late but please update us on Gretta's condition this evening when you get home from work please.

Relax tonight, have a couple drinks & just hang out in the barn with the criters. The Banamine & Nuflor will kick in & Gretta's going to be feeling a little better by morning.

copperpennykids · #20 09/21/12, 11:51 AM

Did your vet send you home with 4 more doses of Nuflor?

When our vet recommends Nuflor, he doses it at 6ccs/100lbs. Your banamine dosage sounds like she is 150 lbs. ?? We generally end up giving 9ccs for a 150 lb goat and it must be given every 24 hours for goats, not every 48 hours like for beef cattle.

If you could get another dose of banamine for tomorrow that would be good to have.

Also, give a drench of baking soda. She could be "off" due to acidosis (and where the CD antitoxin is important) and the baking soda may help her neutralize her Ph. One of those, "Can't hurt, might help" things.

Keep up the B-complex. Dosages vary depending on whether it is regular B-complex or Fortified B-Complex. And yep, for polio or listeriosis you need a lot of B. Better to get thiamine from the vet if you can (although it doesn't sound like that is what you are dealing with here).

Stay strong for your girl - she needs you!

KrisD · #21 09/21/12, 11:59 AM

These great ladies have given you some great advise. Hugs to you and get better soon vibes to Gretta!

farmmom · #22 09/21/12, 12:05 PM

You definitely need more than the one dose of Nuflor with goats. 5 days in a row is what I have always heard recommended.

Minelson · #23 09/21/12, 01:12 PM

I just got home from work...Vet told me Nuflor was a 4 day dose and if she isn't better by Mon to come back and get some more. I have Banamine. He said 1.5 cc's a day for 2 more days. She weighs just under 70lbs. Ivermectin supposedly still works in this area. Every time I do fecals they come out clean. She is not shaking and she is running away from me. I'm going to see if I can get her to eat more animal crackers. She ate one earlier. will not eat boss, horse pellets or alf pellets.
Thank you so much everyone!

Minelson · #24 09/21/12, 01:15 PM

It's fortified B complex...how often should I giver that?

copperpennykids · #25 09/21/12, 01:29 PM

2-3ccs Sub Q once a day if she is feeling this much better.

Kind of low on the Nuflor, but you can only give what the vet will give you.

And kind of high on the banamine...we have always had it dosed at 1cc/100 lbs, both vets and goat mentors alike.

Glad to hear she is feeling better.

DaniR1968 · #26 09/21/12, 01:30 PM

No advice, just good thoughts for a full recovery for Gretta.

Dreamgoat Annie · #27 09/21/12, 01:33 PM

Hang in there! Sending loads of energy to you and Gretta.

Sue

Minelson · #28 09/21/12, 01:37 PM

I just took her temp. 99.8 I took it twice with 2 different thermometers.

Sonshine · #29 09/21/12, 01:42 PM

Just saw this. Hope your little girl is doing better.

mamahen · #30 09/21/12, 01:48 PM

What's the air temp? Is the sun shining?

Would she eat blackberry or raspberry leaves? How about apple leaves? Those are all tempting to my recovering goats.

I don't like the lower temp, but she did have a dose of banamine. What was her temp when she had a fever??

I was told to give the Vit. B twice a day when mine were sick. They excrete the excess, so no worries.