Can you guess if nubian is in the boer?

[Ford Zoo]

To all the boer people out there: I was on another site and a person posted a pic of their 100% boer buck, a spotted paint I do believe. Someone came on and said that due to the black lines leading down from the inside corners of the eyes, the buck had nubian in him.

I am new to the boers, and know nothing about nubians. Can fullblood boers have these black facial lines? And what about dorsal stripes?

I'm curious as I bought a full boer doe bred to a full boer buck, got 2 traditional red headed males, one traditional light brown headed doeling, and one paint doeling with those black facial stripes. Not that it matters to me, I'm thinking more milk for bigger kids if there is nubian in the mix.

[mygoat]

First thing to know with boers is that there are 3 different levels or registration. Fullbloods are those with no outcrossing at all (In theory, though supposedly back when importing was done, crosses were normal with nubians etc - not sure how true this is).

American PUREBRED consist of does that are 94% boer or higher, and bucks must be 97% or higher to be registered as purebred.

Percentages are 50% to 88%. Bucks CAN NOT be registered as percentages. This eliminates the possibility of registering kids less than 50%.

Bucks can only be fullblood or purebred to sire registered kids. My guess is that the spotted boers are purebreds, not fullbloods.

[Ford Zoo]

I am way off on my terminology then. My doe appears to be a traditional redhead as did the buck she was bred to. I am raising for meat so not worried about papers at this point.

If I remember, the guy with the buck picture I was refering to labeled him as '100% registered'. I am just curious about the statement another made about the facial markings.

[TRAILRIDER]

Thanks I was wondering about that too. My Boers are not registered and purchased solely for the purpose of crossing to my dairy does and boer does for meat kids. One buck is black and white paint the other is red and white. I am told they are purebred boers and saw thier parents. I was just wondering how the color came about. I can't wait to see what colors I get crossed with my togg, alpine X nubian, saanen and other boer.

[Ford Zoo]

Originally Posted by TRAILRIDER

Thanks I was wondering about that too. My Boers are not registered and purchased solely for the purpose of crossing to my dairy does and boer does for meat kids. One buck is black and white paint the other is red and white. I am told they are purebred boers and saw thier parents. I was just wondering how the color came about. I can't wait to see what colors I get crossed with my togg, alpine X nubian, saanen and other boer.

Just for reference, one of my sellers has a 100% ABGA buck that he bred to a spotted nubian, the cross resulted in a white goat with cream colored boer head and cream colored spot with a black dorsal stripe over her spine near her tail. Beautiful big doeling, I couldn't pass her up. She took Supreme champion dairy doeling at a local fair this year with quite a few goats competing.

We are just starting out and have a boer buck to cross with boer, nubian, and mytonic does. It will be interesting to see which cross grows out the best with what we have.

[Goat Servant]

Hmm. The FB i just bought goes back 4 generations both top & bottom. Not to say there couldnt have been some hankey pankey going on way back.
He has a black head.

[FrogTacos]

Black/white Boers are my complete herd goal, this is my buck that is working on getting it done.




One of his buck kids:


Doe kid:


Her twin sister:


So far, all the does I have kidded out with him have been the standard red head traditionals - all Fullblood. Every single one of my boers is registered, with papers at 100%. Does this mean they are all actually 100%? I dunno, I see how a breeder could lie on the paperwork, pretty easily in fact.

There are some that say anything other than red headed *had* to be crossed at some point, others that go further and say if they arent of the original South African bloodlines they were crossed at some point. I dont really care, I love my black/whites and hope to keep making more of them.

[mygoat]

Ooo, Frogtacos... I LOVE the black spotty boers! *drools* where are you located? I also love black boers... Next year I want to order semen out of a solid black boy or two.

As I said, once a 'purebred' buck is at 97% boer, it is considered 100%. If your boers are registered as purebred, it WAS outcrossed somewhere back in the line (or paperwork was lost/not maintained etc).