High Octane Top Dress

Ford Zoo · #1 07/08/12, 03:47 PM

Wondering if any meat goat growers have tried the High Octane Fitter 35 Top Dress? I am limited on goat feed selections here, but the local feed store started carrying this and I would like to know more about it.

http://www.honorshowchow.com/product...ll%20sheet.pdf

tinknal · #2 07/08/12, 04:40 PM

If you are feeding straight grain with no protein concentrate it would be a good thing. If you are feeding a complete feed at the appropriate protein level it would just be overkill.

**mygoat** · #3 07/08/12, 04:47 PM

Ask them if they have a dairy pellet. We have a 38% Dairy pellet, and it's pretty darn cheap - 25.00 per hundredweight.

You mix it in with other grains to achieve a protein percentage of 12-16% depending on your goals. I'd use corn and oats. You can also mix in decoxx or rumensin to lower cocci problems, depending on who you're feeding it to.

You could also add in ammonium chloride if your grain mix is for growing out meat wethers. To get the meds/AC to stick, mix in about 25lb wet molasses per 500lbs grain.

OUr mill also mixes in a vitamin E/Se supplement.

Alice In TX/MO · #4 07/08/12, 05:19 PM

It has animal protein products and animal fat in it. Why feed those to a goat????

Animal protein products *could* be feathers or any other waste product from butchering other animals.

Animal fat must (by law in the U.S.) be either pig fat or horse fat, if this is being marketed for ruminants.

Also, this says SHOW animals. Not dairy goats, and not market goats. I googled the preservative used on the animal fat. It's a pesticide linked to health issues.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethoxyquin

I wouldn't feed this to my goats. It's processed garbage.

Ford Zoo · #5 07/08/12, 07:59 PM

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Animal protein products *could* be feathers or any other waste product from butchering other animals. Animal fat must (by law in the U.S.) be either pig fat or horse fat, if this is being marketed for ruminants.
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Thanks for the input! You guys always give the best advice.

Alice, you made me laugh, we don't have feathered pigs or horses in Wisconsin

I am not getting the growth rate on my boer buckling that his breeder is getting on his twin, so I am investigating things available in my area. But I think I will just stick with what I am doing, he'll eventually get to where he is supposed to. I'm worried that making him grow out too fast could cause long term problems that I don't want to put my sweet boy thru.

Hope everyone is staying cool!

Alice In TX/MO · #6 07/08/12, 08:42 PM

PROTEIN could be feathers.

FAT is pig or horse.

Protein and fat from different sources.

Just a side note: If you are buying store bought bread, it could have a chemical in it derived from human hair, primarily harvested in China.
http://www.naturalnews.com/032718_L-...ial_bread.html

Ford Zoo · #7 07/08/12, 10:06 PM

Alice, I misread your first post, but sorry I giggled. You are a always a wealth of information.

Its amazing we are still alive with all these additives we are exposed to.

Freya · #8 07/08/12, 10:15 PM

Oh my gosh I forgot which section I clicked on and thought I was going to see a picture of a really weird dress "top". I was so confused for a second there!

LoneStrChic23 · #9 07/14/12, 09:57 AM

What kind of monthly gains are you getting on your buck & how old is he?

KrisD · #10 07/14/12, 08:52 PM

Oh Alice that is soo gross! Now I have to make my own bread too...

Ford Zoo · #11 07/14/12, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneStrChic23

What kind of monthly gains are you getting on your buck & how old is he?

I got him as a weanling in April and wasn't weighing him. He comes from good stock. At 21 weeks he was near 42 pounds, while the breeder was growing his brother as a fair wether and he was 75 pounds that same week. But the guy is feeding some complete grower 6 times a day with no hay or browse, while I was feeding free choice hay, some browse, and 1 pound/day of 14%feed with BOSS, Diamond V, and AC. I just think it is better to feed them more naturally and am hoping he will grow to his potential, even if it takes a bit longer.

On a side note, I don't have ready access to feed with rumisen, so I treat kids with scheduled sulfa followed with probios. He is about due for another weigh-in, and after removal of a 'bully' wether, I see more growth the past few weeks. He has access to loose minerals and SB with regular wormings also.

LoneStrChic23 · #12 07/14/12, 10:50 PM

Gotcha.... Main thing I was looking for was coccidia prevention

Makes a world of difference in growth. When you say "weanling" how old was he at weaning?

My March dairy doelings have been on just one milk feeding per day (started cutting back way sooner than I normally do due to hectic life mess) for the past 3 weeks and are eating free choice grass hay, plus about 2lbs of 16% medicated meat goat pellet per day..... Weights range from 52lbs-64lbs each as of a week ago (oldest doeling was born March 6, youngest, March 16th).

Perhaps your guy needs a bit more calories? Growth takes a lot of fuel...... Not saying push him, but perhaps upping his ration & letting him eat his portion alone...I offered my bucks about 2-3lbs of meat goat pellets per day while they were growing & my Alpine buck hit 75lbs by 15 weeks..... Cut back their feed after they came out of their 1st rut, now my Lamancha is maintained on mostly hay, a scoop of alfalfa pellets & a handful of grain if I'm trimming feet...

Maybe feeding him separate & adding a bit of calf manna to his ration would help. Calf manna is expensive, but many feed stores carry a knock off brand that is more affordable and you wouldn't have to use much.