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06/19/12, 10:02 AM
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Ammonium Chloride Questions
As long as Ammonium Chloride is "animal food grade" it's good to go, right?
DH and I turned our loose coins into CoinStar and to get our full amount we decided to use the Amazon giftcard. So this was the ammonium chloride I found on Amazon. It's what I need right?
Amazon.com: 5LB Ammonium Chloride AF Grade: Everything Else
DH rolls his eyes and jokingly calls it "goat immortality" after I explained it was to prevent urinary calculi. I think once he hears "goat" he just tunes me out. 
How much ammonium chloride should be used as a top dressing for a 50lb buckling?
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06/19/12, 10:13 AM
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I mix in extra with their minerals. Mine aren't getting any grain right now because they're getting fluffy and they're not in rut yet.
If I get too technical with the goat talk my husband answers me in computer.
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06/19/12, 10:35 AM
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1/2 tsp or so. You ARE looking at the calcium/phosphorous content of what they are eating, too, right? 
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06/19/12, 12:41 PM
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What is the suggested Ca/P for goats?
I've just been eyeballing it. Approx. 4 cups 50/50 alfalfa pellets and medicated Noble Goat chow, plus free access to hay and Onyx minerals(they get copper bolused as well, they still fishtail/rust with just the loose mineral).
I know with horses not to feed rice bran without the alfalfa pellets, so I have stabilized rice bran if my balance is off for the goats.
Teach me, I want to learn. 
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06/19/12, 12:48 PM
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Here's a wonderful article with all the details. The info about the ratio is about half way down the page.
http://www.dairygoatinfo.com/index.php?topic=13.0
I'm doing 50/50 alf pellets and a medicated goat feed, too. Mine have access to hay and browse.
Being very fearful of urinary calculi, I still top dress their feed with AC.
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06/19/12, 01:19 PM
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Excellent. Thank you.
So the linked ammonium chloride should be fine since it is labeled 'animal food quality', right? Just want to be sure before ordering it.
I checked local feed and everyone gave me the "crazy goat lady" look.
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06/19/12, 05:10 PM
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Something I rarely see brought up...If you're feeding baking soda as well it deactivates the ammonium cloride. The baking soda is just about twice as strong so, feeding both, you might as well just dump the AC and half the baking soda in the garbage, it will do as much good.
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Do you have a link that explains that?
Edited to add:
I looked up the pH of each, because I knew it's a scale from acid to alkaline, and one can't be twice as strong. It's just where they are on the scale, which runs from 0 to 14, with 0 being acid and 14 being basic, aka alkaline.
Baking soda, depending on which webistes you look at has a pH of 9.
Ammonium Chloride has a pH of 1.5
http://www.apps.fst.vt.edu/extension/valueadded/pH.html
This is very interesting. I've never had baking soda out for the bucks anyway. I guess it's a good thing.
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06/19/12, 08:56 PM
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It was just me with an inquiring mind and some time a couple winters ago. What I worked out was that the effect on the urine was twice as strong from the baking soda given equal amounts. So, given 1 teaspoon of both, the AC and half the baking soda is neutralized by the time it reaches the bladder.
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06/19/12, 09:04 PM
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Too bad your feed store had no idea what AC is. Our local feed mill sells it for 60 cents a pound in any quantity. Interesting info on the AC vs. Baking soda! I have yet to see my buck or wethers go for the baking soda, but shouldn't one keep it available for a just in case moment?
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06/19/12, 09:14 PM
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I think I will still leave the baking soda out and just top dress the AC. If they need the baking soda, they'll have it available, they haven't touched it yet.
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Wonderful I had no idea you couldnt mix the two. Now to dump the stuff and refill it with mineral on one side with AC and baking soda on the other. Thanks ladies
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Thanks
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