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Old 05/06/12, 06:19 PM
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CL and CAE testing questions

I was hijacking that other thread so I decided to start one of my own. Like I said in the other thread - I'm not planning on goats soon but I dream of having milk goats eventually. The disease testing thing has me concerned. Of course I would want disease-free animals but there are some things that I think would make getting testing done complicated.

If/when I get goats I want to get them from my friend with the awesome Oberhaslis. She gets a lot of milk from them and they're good goats and I trust her. I don't know if she tests. She might not have even heard of the diseases - she doesn't use the internet much.

We are in a very rural area. You'd think we'd have some farm vets around but I have yet to meet one . . . . I can't find anybody who knows a single thing about rabbits so I bet I won't find a goat doctor around either.

If I wanted to draw their blood and send it in to be tested, how would I draw a goat's blood?

If I drew the blood and it came back positive for something, would my friend get reported to some government organization?
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Old 05/06/12, 06:45 PM
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BoerGoats.com Article drawingblood

Alice posted this link for me. it's a 9 year old girl drawing blood for testing. I figure if she can do it so can we. I will probably have the vet out first to show me while he does it.

No, if 1 of the does' came back positive for something I can't imagine your friend would get in trouble with any organization unless she sells the milk & someone got sick then that might be a problem. I of course don't know for sure but I wouldn't think so anyways.

Some of the others here may know the answer to that question for positive though.
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Old 05/06/12, 06:50 PM
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I know you don't get reported for CAE. Does anyone know about Johnne's?
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Old 05/06/12, 07:10 PM
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In Oregon, Johnes is a notable disease, meaning that iit is noted in the vets monthly report to the state agency when a new outbreak is discovered.
The animals affected can't be sold or moved across state lines except to a kill auction or slaughter house.
No, as far as I know none of the diseases that are tested for are major reportable diseases. None of them should cause your freind much trouble. She wouldn't want to manage Johnes + animals anyway I'm sure.
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Old 05/06/12, 07:34 PM
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The blood drawing looks easy. Thank you for the link.
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Blood drawing is super easy. I would check your states Dept of Ag website to be certain your state doesn't have weird rules for some reason. CAE testing is only $6 through Bio Tracking. You literally just draw the blod and mail it in. In about a week you have your results. CL testing has to be sent through one of the state labs like WADDL or one of the universities. Johnes is the same as CL as far as where to send it. I would test for CAE first. CL can have false positives as well as false negatives. If I were to test for it (I plan on it in a few months) I would repeat the test every 6 months. If I repeatedly got negatives I would eventually declare CL free. Most of us buy from herds that have never shown an abscess. If your friend has never had abscesses on any of her goats then she is probably fine.

Note it is not recommended to test stock under 6 months of age. They tend to have unreliable results.

BTW I raise Oberhaslis too! They are a great breed and good producers.
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Old 05/06/12, 10:42 PM
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ANY vet can also draw blood, as well as vet interns. Before I learned to draw it myself, I would take them to my local clinic and an intern would draw it for me for $10 per goat.

In the other thread you mentioned, Mrs. H was right, home herds and commercial herds have vastly different standards.

We tend to become overly agitated about disease and testing, because an outbreak of disease can be SO devastating for a home herd. But honestly, not ALL untested goats have CL or CAE, just like not ALL deer (who are also susceptible to both diseases) have CL and CAE.

Both tend to be more prevalent in meat herds, due to the fact that many meat goats tend to culled and butchered before the more obvious signs of the diseases show up. Also, dairy does are often handled twice per day, where signs and/or symptoms of disease would be noticed and recognized...whereas in many meat herds, the does and breeding bucks might only be handled a few times per year.

BECAUSE both diseases often cause a lack of thriftiness and poorer production, some culling of diseased animals has occurred even in un-tested herds.

So, when you go to your friend to get goats, simply have the goats you are buying, or their dams if they are young, tested for the diseases. It is not a SURE thing that your friend's animals are diseased.

You can also ask your friend if she tests. Some folks decided to go the route of testing and culling their herd until they had ONLY disease-free goats, test a couple more times to ensure they stayed that way, and then closed their herd, allowing no outside goats. They might not have tested in 10 years, but because they have been really careful and have not allowed outside animals to spread cooties amongst their herd, they have maintained a disease-free status.

Some folks have management practices where they simply raise kids on prevention, by pulling kids at birth and only bottle feeding them pasteurized milk. If kids are then raised completely separate from the rest of the herd, one can conceivably have a disease-free herd in a few generations.

Many of us are adamant about, and push testing, because if ALL goat breeders tested, and knew the health status of their herds, and managed appropriately with vigorous raising and culling practices, these diseases could be nearly eradicated (like they did with equine infectious anemia and coggins tests) in less than a decade. The tests are not that expensive, and there is no reason why breeders should not be responsible and do their part to help eliminate these incurable, and in the case of CL and Johne's, transmittable to humans, diseases.
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Old 05/06/12, 10:52 PM
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Does anyone know about Johnne's?
They do here in CO and they quarrantine you forever and shut you down. My vet highly discourages testing for it unless the animal is ill and showing the symptoms.
I do not test for it since I fear a false positive and they will swoop down on me before I could even have another done.

Even the Raw Milk Association does not require that test to be done before you can sell milke shares, you test for CAE, Brucillousis ( sp?) and TB.
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Old 05/07/12, 10:04 PM
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It's ridiculous that they think a disease is serious enough to shut you down for it but they dont' make testing mandatory . . . . . . that doesn't make any sense at all! The government doesn't have to make sense, though.
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Old 05/07/12, 10:30 PM
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Blame Agribusiness instead of the government. Agri-business put a LOT of money into keeping testing from being made mandatory.... it cuts into their bottom line.

But they couldn't quite buy off the health folks, and they managed to get regulations passed that at least keep some thing from passing too much into the human food chain.
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