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My doe is down, in pain, urinating blood....help!
Hi! I have a pregnant doe due 3/15. She hurt her foot the other day so last night she got a half dose (.75cc) of banamine because she was obviously in discomfort. My husband went out this morning to feed her and give her the next half dose and she started (we are assuming) peeing urine. Very thin blood red. She's not in labor, at least not that I can tell. No mucus. Hasn't lost her plug. Her temp is 99.7 and she's shivering. She ate all her grain and she's eating hay without a problem. She doesn't want to stand much because her foot still hurts but she will if we ask her to. Unfortunately it's Saturday so the vet is out of office and the emergency number goes to VCA hospital which doesn't take livestock.
I'm suspecting kidney or bladder infection but I'm pretty inexperienced so I could really use some good advice. I have on hand Naxcel that I can give her if that would be of any help....anything else we'd need to try to find at TSC or a regular vet since the only goat vet I know of is closed. Thanks so much in advance.
Oh she's been on the wrong feed as I found out. I've been giving her 16% and I guess she was supposed to be dropped back to 12% so I wish I would've known that soon
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03/03/12, 03:54 PM
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I wrote the above this morning to a FB group hoping for a quick answer that didn't come. She's now moaning pretty much constantly, appears to be straining to pee while lying down. She's in obvious discomfort and I'm at a loss as to how to help her. She hasn't really moved since I returned her to her stall this morning. I'm really afraid we are going to lose her 
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Melody, I am so sorry your doe is in such distress. Is it possible she could miscarrying? That would explain the straining. Is there any way you can get her to a vet? There are some things that can cause red urine...like copper toxicity, but with the straining and obvious discomfort, I'd be more inclined to think she was miscarrying.
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I have no idea what it would be or if they anti-biotic would be helpful. I can tell you with that low of a temp I would warm her up.
I would call a vet right away, they might know what it is and can tell you over the phone how to treat it, or if she is going down hill fast they might be able to save the babies, but they will be quite premature.
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03/03/12, 04:15 PM
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Honestly, I hope she's only miscarrying. I think right now that would be the least of our worries
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Blood in urine usually means urinary tract infection and can cause straining...I would start antibiotics asap ...I'll try to find the dose for Naxcel
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03/03/12, 04:16 PM
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I'm trying to find a vet but unfortunately the nearest appears to be 2 hours away (at Purdue)
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03/03/12, 04:16 PM
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Quote:
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Blood in urine usually means urinary tract infection and can cause straining...I would start antibiotics asap ...I'll try to find the dose for Naxcel
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I'll try that, it certainly couldn't hurt right?
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03/03/12, 04:18 PM
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Right!
I found this...Naxcel (ceftiofur sodium) - Vet prescription. Broad-spectrum antibiotic used primarily at Onion Creek Ranch for respiratory illnesses (pneumonia). Comes in two bottles . . . one bottle contains a powder which must be kept refrigerated even while in powder form, and the other bottle is sterile water. When the two are mixed, they keep for only seven days. Draw syringes in dosages of 1/2 cc, 1 cc, 2 cc, and 3 cc, put needle caps on them, place the filled syringes in a ziplock bag, label and date it, and put the bag in the freezer. Syringes thaw quickly, but hold the needle cap upright, because the medication will settle into the needle cap and will be lost when the needle cap is removed. . Dosages on the bottle are insufficient for goats. If newborn kids have respiratory distress or E.Coli infections, they must receive a minimum dosage IM of 1/2 cc daily for five consecutive days. A 100 pound goat needs at least 5-6 cc of Naxcel IM over the five-day course of treatment. This writer no longer uses Naxcel but instead uses Excenel RTU, the ready-to-use equivalent product that doesn't require refrigeration or mixing.
http://www.tennesseemeatgoats.com/ar...dications.html
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Minelson I am not sure that Naxcel can be safely used on a pregnant doe, while you are looking up the dose see if it is safe.
The people at Purdue will not tell you anything over the phone? Like is it even safe to use Naxcel, or what you can try?
Get her some hot water bottles and maybe a warm towel and warm her up, do not feed her anything while her temp is down because it will make things worse if she rumen is not working.
I wish I knew of a vet that could help you in your area but I do not
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Goats
Administer to goats by intramuscular injection at the dosage of 0.5 to 1.0 mg ceftiofur per pound (1.1 to 2.2 mg/kg) of body weight (1-2 mL reconstituted sterile solution per 100 lbs body weight). Treatment should be repeated at 24-hour intervals for a total of three consecutive days. Additional treatments may be given on days four and five for animals which do not show a satisfactory response (not recovered) after the initial three treatments. Selection of dosage (0.5 to 1.0 mg/lb) should be based on the practitioner’s judgement of severity of disease (i.e., extent of elevated body temperature, depressed physical appearance, increased respiratory rate, coughing and/or loss of appetite). Pharmacokinetic data indicate that elimination of the drug is more rapid in lactating does. For lactating does, the high end of the dose range is recommended.
It doesn't say not to use it on pregnant does...it says this...
Precautions
The effects of ceftiofur on the reproductive performance, pregnancy, and lactation of cattle, swine, sheep, and goats have not been determined.
http://www.drugs.com/vet/naxcel.html
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Eclipchic...do you have access to any other antibiotics. I'm seeing this is used for respiratory problems so there might be a better one for UTI. But it is for sure better than nothing.
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03/03/12, 04:32 PM
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Quote:
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Eclipchic...do you have access to any other antibiotics. I'm seeing this is used for respiratory problems so there might be a better one for UTI. But it is for sure better than nothing.
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Tractor supply should be still open so I can get whatever they stock
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Ack! I don't know what would be the best to use. But Fias has a bunch listed and what they are used for here
http://www.fiascofarm.com/goats/medications.htm#antibac
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Found this also on Onion Creek:
Excenel RTU (injectable liquid)
Antibiotic - respiratory and urinary tract infections
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03/03/12, 04:39 PM
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Call them first and make sure they have it in stock...don't waste time driving if they are out of stock. BTDT
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03/03/12, 04:40 PM
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I would also call Purdue.
Praying!
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If the site goes down again go over to Homesteading Today on Facebook.
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Make sure you get her temp back up also! A low temp like that it not good at all, I wish I had more advise. I am praying she pulls through for you .
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