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02/28/12, 06:07 PM
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wolves in your area...
So, to all of you goat people living in the "wolf" areas, how do you handle this issue?
I just found out that even if we see a wolf attacking our livestock, in the process of killing our animal, we CAN NOT protect our animal...
so, how about everyone else's rules....
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02/28/12, 06:14 PM
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I don't have wolves in my area. I'd hate to kill such a magnificent animal. My guess is that many people would probably shoot a wolf if it was in the act of attacking their live stock, regardless.
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02/28/12, 07:50 PM
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Buy a Great Pyrenees dog. 
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02/28/12, 08:11 PM
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Here you can buy a wolf tag. I think most ranchers out here just shoot, shovel and shut up.
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02/28/12, 11:39 PM
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She who waits....
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SSS.....
That goes for wolves, attacking stray dogs, whatever.
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Caliann
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02/29/12, 07:59 AM
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shoot to kill, bury deep. I don't think anyone should have the right to tell you that you have to stand by while your property on your propery is destroyed. stupid people have gained control in this country and we need to take back control from the fools.I bet if it was in their yard and a wolf was killing ther pet poodle they would shot to kill.
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02/29/12, 11:22 AM
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We don't have wolves here but if I seen one attacking my goats I would shoot to kill.
They are a magnificent animal but I'm not going to watch anything kill my livestock.
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02/29/12, 01:55 PM
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I would advise against "shoot to kill." Use other, not-immediately-lethal means for your own protection.
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02/29/12, 04:01 PM
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A single wolf is a dangerous wolf, they cannot hunt their normal prey without a pack. For whatever reason the wolf is alone is not our problem, letting them dine on our hard earned livestock is. Yes if you can, get a good LGD or better yet, two but we have the right to protect what is ours. SSS, shoot, shovel, and shut up, is good advice when necessary. Otherwise just set out the table cloth for them, because once they realize that domestic stock are tasty and easy to kill, there is no reason for them to stop.
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02/29/12, 05:06 PM
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She who waits....
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Mtnfarm, WHAT other "not-immediately-lethal" means for protection of ourselves and our stock?
Poison, which our dogs and cats could eat? Or, for that matter,our pigs?
Tranq darts? Sorry, they don't let us ranching peons have those... they contain schedule 1 drugs.
Live trap? THEN what do we do with it? Our county CHARGES you to pick up live-trapped coyotes, wolves, bobcats, etc. Frankly, I can't afford it.
As for "shoot to kill", do you know what is more dangerous than a single wolf? A single, INJURED wolf. Not to mention how cruel it is to intentionally shoot something just to injure it, leaving it to slowly die in pain and suffering. Better a quick, honorable death than a slow, painful one.
When dealing with something like this, SSS is the best way to go.
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Caliann
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02/29/12, 06:26 PM
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Is this what you had in mind???
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Originally Posted by Mtnfarm6
I would advise against "shoot to kill." Use other, not-immediately-lethal means for your own protection.
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BTW: Just last month in Michigan, the gray wolf was taken off the endangered species act......
and they can be shot if going after livestock! http://www.wilx.com/news/headlines/W...138268274.html
Last edited by copperkid3; 02/29/12 at 06:31 PM.
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03/01/12, 06:27 AM
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Katie
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If there taking them off the endangered list that must mean there's a lot of them now. They have them in the upper peninsula but I've not seen any down in this part of the state but probly only a matter of time I guess if the numbers grow enough.
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03/01/12, 08:10 AM
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There is a reason our forefathers tried to get rid of the wolf. They kill our livestock and will attach humans (our child). I for one can live just fine without them!
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03/01/12, 09:16 AM
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Use your own judgement (SSS). The elected folks have not demonstrated an acceptable use of judgement. 
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03/01/12, 09:25 AM
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Interesting how it was taken off the endangered list.... Thank you for that info... kinda funny how F&G is not saying anything about that... What kind of predation do they do there? How is it compared to cougar, coyote, and other predators?
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03/01/12, 12:24 PM
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She who waits....
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You see, that's the problem....
Healthy, experienced wolves and cougars are NOT a predatory problem. They tend to stay far away from humans.
Sick, injured, starving, and young wolves and cougars ARE a problem. They are so desperate that they overcome their fear of humans to go after your stock, then they are desperate enough to overcome their fear to go after you and/or your kids/grandkids.
Coyotes are always a problem...and they are so plentiful that they roam downtown in large cities.
SSS
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Caliann
"First, Show me in the Bible where it says you can save someone's soul by annoying the hell out of them." -- Chuck
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03/01/12, 12:45 PM
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Too many wildlife specialists are frankly so enamoured of their vision of keeping a world wild and free that they can't think straight.
I remember the first time a possum was spotted in the local town- the local wildlife agent live trapped it, coo'd and aw'd over it and drove it way out to the mountains where it could live safely.
That's right -we were possum free. Ten years later, the thrill is gone and they are all over the place. Now the wildlife people have to deal with the damage to other wild life.
No balance at all...........
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03/01/12, 12:56 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CaliannG
You see, that's the problem....
Healthy, experienced wolves and cougars are NOT a predatory problem. They tend to stay far away from humans.
Sick, injured, starving, and young wolves and cougars ARE a problem. They are so desperate that they overcome their fear of humans to go after your stock, then they are desperate enough to overcome their fear to go after you and/or your kids/grandkids.
Coyotes are always a problem...and they are so plentiful that they roam downtown in large cities.
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Seeing post like this make it very difficult to be polite. But I will try.
Predators are opportunistic feeders, when they find food they eat it.
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