What Does TYPY Mean with Nubian Goats??

[vpierce]

I am looking at purchasing a Nubian Doeling. A yearling to breed,For the milk. I had a friend look at the picture that I received from the owner(Not very good photo) and she said that Rosie(doeling) Looked typy in the head and had the roman nose of the Nubian. Sorry for the strange question. Thanks for the help.
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[Cannon_Farms]

I think she means shes got a correct Nubian head or close to it, I would have to respectfully disagree. Shes got a steep rump which could also be a bad photo but Im wondering why the kid isnt disbudded.
Does the breeder do any disease testing? I sell my in milk does for 350 and doe kids to yearlings for 250 and they are of good solid quality.

[Donna1982]

Dont know much about Nubians but she looks small to me. How old is she?

[vpierce]

OOPS, That was the other question I forgot to ask her. Thanks for reminding me. Anyway, Its really hard to find a Breeder of Nubians here in Montana. Its easier to find Boers. I traveled 300 miles for Excalibur. I am willing to travel again for a quality goat. I need good pictures if there that far away. I do have her number and email, I will just ask for more photos in daylight.

[vpierce]

Originally Posted by Donna1982

Dont know much about Nubians but she looks small to me. How old is she?

She is technically 7 months old. I guess after January they are considered a yearling?? I was hoping to breed her in the fall of 2012 because she is so young. I guess I can look around some more. I am not in a hurry.

[copperpennykids]

Where in Montana? I know several good Nubian breeders here in N. Idaho that I could recommend (clean, CAE negative, no CL, healthy animals that show and appraisal well). Also consider that you may be able to "catch a ride" if you are unable to make the trip with someone heading your direction (the goat world is very interesting when you start making travel connections....lots gets done thataway!).

Agree with Cannon - I don't believe this goat would qualify as correct for a Nubian (for registration purposes). Hard to tell on the rump - not good pics to see quality. However, the horns are/can be a deal killer. Don't forget you might want to sell this doe some day and not many people want a dairy doe with horns.

[vpierce]

I live in Stevensville Montana. Small town south of Missoula.

[Natural Beauty Farm]

You could try Kathie, she is in SW Montana.
She goes by the name goatkid here, but has not been on since Dec 2011. I see her more on dairygoatinfo.com. She uses the same login name. Her herd is Zirngibl Dairy Goats, she has some nice Nubian bloodlines and sells way too cheaply in my opinion since she has a tested herd and knows her stuff. You will not go wrong talking to her.

[CaliannG]

The horns are not an issue with me. I LIKE horns and refuse to contribute to fad and fashion by disbudding. (I feel the same way about docking horse's tails, cutting up dog's ears and tails, etc.)

HOWEVER...that rump. That is a awful steep rump, and although she has the Roman nose, her head isn't all that Nubian.

She looks, to me, like a cross breed that has a lot of Nubian, and that rump is a bad fault.

I think you could do better, even in Montana.

[Creamers]

I think she is pretty small to be 7 months - those are bad photos to tell much about the conformation of the animal. . . her
ears are quite long, nose quite roman - she may be 100% Nubian, but I'd shop around more -

Not being disbudded is always a concern for the vast majority of breeders, but I have purchased goats with them in cases where the price was very fair with excellent genetics. . . ideally, you would want the doe disbudded. . .

[copperpennykids]

Originally Posted by CaliannG

, even in Montana.

Seriously? The Pacific Northwest (Okay and we'll include the West Coast! LOL)
has some of the nicest animals in the country. Beautiful herds in all breeds that are beautiful and productive. Very competitive at a National level.

I live in Stevensville Montana. Small town south of Missoula.

I will PM you with some breeders. Getting transport is a process - show the breeder you are sincere and also willing to make an effort (post on Dist 7 News as well as Nubian Talk, Saanen Talk, etc) to secure transport and they will also try to look for transport for you. It is more important (IMO) to get nice solid animals that will help you move forward in your breeding program - oh, and having some real purty well-bred animals will help you sell kids in your area.

And yes, clean healthy animals, of course.

[Creamers]

http://www.saadagoats.com/ - just right over in WY -lol!
By far - my personal favorite line

[CaliannG]

Originally Posted by copperpennykids

Seriously? The Pacific Northwest (Okay and we'll include the West Coast! LOL)
has some of the nicest animals in the country. Beautiful herds in all breeds that are beautiful and productive. Very competitive at a National level.

Sorry, forgot to include the smiley face. The OP mentioned finding Nubians few and far between in the state.... and there is always that old saw of "Montana, for folks that think Wyoming has too many fences."

~shrugs~ Maybe I am simply too accustomed to the self-depreciating humor of my own state and don't always remember that folks can get touchy. I apologize. No offense was intended.

[copperpennykids]

You are gracious.

A long day and while I don't breed Nubians, I know so many breeders who work hard that I guess I can get defensive on their behalf.....yeah, a smiley face helps keep things in their proper humorous perspective. (I have an over-developed sense of humor myself, so certainly wouldn't want to crab at another who has one, ).

[CaliannG]

Originally Posted by copperpennykids

[jcgoldie]

I dont think the horns would have to be a deal breaker... those little ones will come right off in 3 weeks with a couple green cheerios, easy peasy.

[farmmom]

Originally Posted by CaliannG

The horns are not an issue with me. I LIKE horns and refuse to contribute to fad and fashion by disbudding. (I feel the same way about docking horse's tails, cutting up dog's ears and tails, etc.)

HOWEVER...that rump. That is a awful steep rump, and although she has the Roman nose, her head isn't all that Nubian.

She looks, to me, like a cross breed that has a lot of Nubian, and that rump is a bad fault.

I think you could do better, even in Montana.

See, I guess it depends on how you look at it. To me, it's about the safety of myself, my children and my other goats, as well as preserving the fence line. I could care less about the "fad and fashion"

That being said, I would pass on this one for the reasons others have mentioned.

[CaliannG]

I am NOT going to get into the horn debate. I am NOT going to get into the horn debate. It's kidding season, and people will be disbudding, just like people will declaw their cats, and dock their dogs tails. I will NOT get into the horn debate.

See, ya'll? See? Are ya'll looking at this immense show of self control? See?

[Lizza]

Originally Posted by CaliannG

I am NOT going to get into the horn debate. I am NOT going to get into the horn debate. It's kidding season, and people will be disbudding, just like people will declaw their cats, and dock their dogs tails. I will NOT get into the horn debate.

See, ya'll? See? Are ya'll looking at this immense show of self control? See?

I will not get into the horn debate....I will not get into the horn debate....but yet I must say, I can't believe you think it is because of fad and fashion, very odd thing to say, it is about safety, safety, and safety for everyone involved. Comparing it to docking a dogs tail is about as apples and oranges as you can get. We will leave it at that though, agree to disagree.

To the OP, you can get better animals then that. You might have to drive a few hours but you will be thankful in the long run. Good luck!

[CaliannG]

Morningstar, you are NOT helping!

Don't MAKE me pull out my studies and research, and everything that SHOWS that disbudded goats are NO safer than horned goats!

Now....I am stopping.

See ya''ll? I am being goaded into the horn debate, and I am STOPPING. Aren't ya'll proud of me?