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02/16/12, 08:24 AM
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what breed?
I have an old neighbor who has several goats. He is kind of a hoarder (junk and car all around), so I never thought I would buy a goat from him. Yesterday I looked at his goats and was impressed. They look to be a very healthy herd (good weight, bright eyes, etc.
His buck is a good looking fellow. He said he is boer. I first thought maybe spanish goat or kiko, but after looking at the buck, he just may be a boer. What do you guys think?
http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/...anksBuck-1.jpg
http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/...eup640x480.jpg
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02/16/12, 08:26 AM
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02/16/12, 08:33 AM
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They look healthy but my biggest concern would be cl. At the least, check the herd over for lumps or scars in the lymph areas, especially under the ear, and keep the animal in a quarantine area you can sterilize if necessary for a while. If she has cl, it should pop up with the stress of the move.
Doesn't look boer to me. Could have some in him, but looks more Kiko to me.
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02/16/12, 08:39 AM
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MAy have a little boer but not much, boer years usually show up. Nice looking doeling.
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02/16/12, 08:49 AM
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I just wasn't sure about the breed. He is a meat breed. Looks to be at least 250lbs (in real life). Just big and muscular. He has longer hair, but I think I see some boer in his face??
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02/16/12, 08:52 AM
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Yes, but it doesn't really matter.  No papers, no history, not a problem!
If you are just getting them for entertainment or meat, they will do just fine, but DO check for diseases.
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02/16/12, 10:34 AM
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Getting them to sell as meat. Don't show. Don't care about papers. Will check them over real good and put them in a seperate pen for a month. I plan on buying two doelings and later breeding them with my buck "Kurly". Should be some nice meat stock.
I got into the whole purebred thing with rabbits (Flemish giants and New Zealand whites). I found that the few "unknowns" I had were better producers and were just as meaty, I.M.O.
Here is a photo of my buck (still young).
http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/...003640x480.jpg
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02/16/12, 10:59 AM
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The dam of your doeling looks like a pygmy. The buck may have some boer in him, but is not purebred (his ears are a giveaway!). The does in the first picture look like they may have some lamancha in them?
If they make good meat, it doesn't matter much what breed they are. But I would check to see if he tests for disease, especially if you have other goats that will come into contact with them.
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02/16/12, 12:44 PM
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Yeah, that buck definitely looks more Kiko - though I'm no expert on any breeds, just looked at alot of pics before we purchased our Kiko. It's a harder breed to come by though, are there Kiko breeders near you from where your buck could have originated?
Just curious.
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02/16/12, 12:57 PM
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There is one kiko breeder near by.
So, if I got this right, maybe kiko, maybe some boer, and pygmy/lamancha (good milk for kids), crossed with my boer buck, should make some good meat stock.
Thanks
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02/16/12, 03:18 PM
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what ever the mix is they look like a good start to a meat herd.
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02/16/12, 06:11 PM
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Looks very Kiko - I'd be concerned about CL - Isolate, check. . . maybe test (though it isn't very accurate). . .
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02/16/12, 07:34 PM
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I just bought some Boer doeling bottle babies. They are COMPLETELY isolated from my dairy herd. When they are 12 weeks I plan to wean, CD&T, Case-Bac them all.
Eight of these doeling were taken at birth from their dams (they were abandoned by their dams).
I do intend to test for CAE (as I do all my dairies), however, at this age, wouldn't the Case-Bac take care of any CL possibility?
I have read on meat goat sites that if you mess with meat goats long enough you will encounter CL (which I DO NOT WANT). I have spoken with some meat goat breeders and they say the only responsible thing to do is vaccinate for with Case-Bac.
I have purchased a buckling from another herd that is being dam-raised and I will be vaccinating him also.
Thoughts?
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02/16/12, 08:19 PM
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JBarG....
There are talks and talks about the Case-Bac.
Babies can get CL from their dams, or even from bacteria in the soil through their cord at birth. So having a baby and then vaccinating said baby WILL NOT guarantee you CL free goats that will not spread the disease to other members of your herd. In some cases, a kid can be BORN with the disease.
If a goat has CL,and is given the Case-Bac vaccine, they will react very, very badly to the vaccine. Some CL positive goats have died from receiving the vaccine. This is one of the reasons that the vaccine is not labeled for goats.
Studies are currently being conducted on the efficiency of the vaccine in goats, but no conclusions are yet available. No-one yet knows just how efficient the vaccine is in preventing CL in goats, and until they develop a test that measures the BACTERIA in blood and/or culture, rather than the antibodies to that bacteria, no one WILL know how well the vaccine works in goats.
Which brings me to that sticky little problem: Once the vaccine is given, that goat will always test positive for CL, whether the goat has the disease or not, due to the antibodies produced by the vaccine.
If you really, Really, REALLY want to use the vaccine, I would suggest you test all of your goats at 6 month intervals for CL, and after the third test comes back negative for CL, THEN vaccinate them. At least then you know you are starting with disease free goats.
Whether the vaccine works in preventing your goats from getting CL after that? Who knows. You won't be able to test your herd for the disease after you vaccinate...but you can always watch for lumps.
I hope this helps.
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02/16/12, 09:08 PM
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I would guess 1/2 to 3/4 kiko with the remaining being boer.
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02/17/12, 05:39 AM
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Well I looked and looked at the photos and I did not see anythig that looked like pygmy goats.
The buck is vey nice looking and I too am thinking Boer/Kiko.
That doeling you have picked out is very nice looking, if that is her dam beside her what I see is AlpineX. I would be happy with her.
Nancy
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