Never had this problem-Breeding!!

Backfourty,MI. · #1 01/25/12, 08:13 AM

It is so frustrating too! I have a doe that came back into heat today!
When I bred her the end of Novenber I was sure she didn't take, I must have missed the right day because when I noticed I put the buck with her twice a day for 2 days but she didn't seem real interested by then.

Then December 31st again she's in heat. I put the buck with her & I watched him throw his head back & she hunched her back up. I think alright the deed is done but I stick them together again that evening. She didn't seem real interested that night.

Now today, I put her with the buck again. I watched him throw his head back 2 different times & she hunched her back up both times this morning. I'll put them back together this afternoon!

This is a proven buck, used him last fall & so far the girls he's bred this past fall haven't come back in heat but her.

This will be her 4th freshening if I ever get her to settle! She's Nigerian dwarf & so's the buck.

I'm wondering if goats have problems settling if they are a little over weight?
I know if doe rabbits have too much fat they won't take usually without alot of problems. Just thinking goats could be the same?
Will take anyone's advice if you have any ideas.

I really don't want July or August babies because of the heat, flies, etc.

She usually always has twins or triplets & is a great mother.

madness · #2 01/25/12, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Backfourty,MI.

I'm wondering if goats have problems settling if they are a little over weight?
I know if doe rabbits have too much fat they won't take usually without alot of problems. Just thinking goats could be the same?
Will take anyone's advice if you have any ideas.

I've heard this anecdotally (I mean, I haven't read it in a veterinary book, but I've heard experienced goat keepers say so). We had a chunky doe (she was dry for a year) and were advised to slim her down before she was bred.

We had a buck this year that none of the girls would stand for at all, even when clearly at the height of heat. We'd either have to hold them or he would get them penned in a corner. Weirdest thing. But you did see them mate? Might be the weight thing - not sure!

Backfourty,MI. · #3 01/25/12, 08:27 AM

I definately seen them mate twice this morning! When I put a buck & doe together I stay right their & watch (I know I'm kinda weird) so I can see & make sure the deed is done or so I thought!
She was this chunky last year too I thought & had triplets.

Soooo Frustrating!

ShyAnne · #4 01/25/12, 08:45 AM

Hopefully she will take this time for you...

Alice In TX/MO · #5 01/25/12, 08:55 AM

Yes, fat around the ovaries is a problem.

emanuelcs34 · #6 01/25/12, 09:09 AM

I have a 1 1/2 year old ND doe that has been bred every month for 4 months...She comes into heat every 21 days...Breeds once to the buck...Then won't let him near her again...She was overweight and has slimmed down alot but I hope she took...Is it possible to have false heats if they are pregnant...(I will be sending blood in to test, but she has been perplexing)

Backfourty,MI. · #7 01/25/12, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by emanuelcs34

I have a 1 1/2 year old ND doe that has been bred every month for 4 months...She comes into heat every 21 days...Breeds once to the buck...Then won't let him near her again...She was overweight and has slimmed down alot but I hope she took...Is it possible to have false heats if they are pregnant...(I will be sending blood in to test, but she has been perplexing)

The only time I've noticed a false heat in one of my girls was a couple years ago & she came back in heat about a week after I bred her.

Backfourty,MI. · #8 01/25/12, 09:28 AM

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Yes, fat around the ovaries is a problem.

She was born here but since her first kidding I think she's always been a little chunky. I posted about her last year & it seems like most folks didn't think she was that big.

I only give them 1/4 cup of grain a.m. & p.m., they get seperate dishes so I know she's not eating anyone else's. They get hay 24/7 & alfafa pellets.
There's mineral & baking soda out 24/7.
She was bolused & wormed in the fall before I started breeding anyone.

She'll be on a diet if she doesn't take this month.

Alice In TX/MO · #9 01/25/12, 09:34 AM

Cut back on alfalfa pellets, I think, now. She's a widdle doat.

Oat Bucket Farm · #10 01/25/12, 09:36 AM

Also could be a uterine infection. If she keeps on, you may want to give her lute to open the cervix so you can do a uterine flush and then run a course of antibiotics through her.

Pony · #11 01/25/12, 09:56 AM

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Also could be a uterine infection. If she keeps on, you may want to give her lute to open the cervix so you can do a uterine flush and then run a course of antibiotics through her.

That's what I was thinking: Treat for pyo.

Backfourty,MI. · #12 01/25/12, 04:24 PM

Thanks guys!

Pony, what is pyo?

I always try to make sure they have some alfafa pellets because I worry so much about them getting enough calcium, although I don't give them as much of them now this early in pregnancies & just increase as they get closer.

I'll cut back on the alfafa pellets, no problem for me but of course they will all think their dying!!

nehimama · #13 01/25/12, 05:09 PM

I've been having the same darned problem with the last doe here to be bred! Not fat at all, but most likely cystic. She got a shot of cysterellon (sp?) also known as Fertagyl, and bred again the next day. Waiting at this moment for results from the blood test @ BioTracking. I wish you luck with your doe, and with mine as well.

Backfourty,MI. · #14 01/25/12, 05:30 PM

Put her & the buck back in together this evening & I saw her hunch up & the buck threw his head back again so I'm hoping one of these breedings takes today.

Will stick them back together tomarrow morning if she still acts the least bit interested.

I'll keep my fingers crossed for both of us nehi!

If she had a uterine infection would she start running a temp? Maybe I should take her temp. tomarrow too.

Creamers · #15 01/25/12, 05:32 PM

Heavy goats and cows have a hard time conceiving - that is likely the issue

Oat Bucket Farm · #16 01/25/12, 08:37 PM

From what I've read, the only sign of this kind of uterine infection is coming into heat and breeding, but not settling. Cystic is another possibility.

Pony · #17 01/25/12, 08:58 PM

A closed uterine infection would not necessarily cause pyresis (i.e. a fever) unless it became hot.

You have a few possibilities to investigate. Hope it's nothing more serious than a few too many groceries. Give that goatie gal a hug from me!

Pony · #18 01/25/12, 08:59 PM

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I've been having the same darned problem with the last doe here to be bred! Not fat at all, but most likely cystic. She got a shot of cysterellon (sp?) also known as Fertagyl, and bred again the next day. Waiting at this moment for results from the blood test @ BioTracking. I wish you luck with your doe, and with mine as well.

Well, it's Wednesday...

Did they send your results yet?

Pony · #19 01/25/12, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Backfourty,MI.

Pony, what is pyo?

Sorry, missed this before.

Pyometra. Uterine infection.

nehimama · #20 01/26/12, 04:29 AM

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Well, it's Wednesday...

Did they send your results yet?

Darn it. The samples arrived at BioTracking on Wednesday, but not EARLY ENOUGH on Wednesday to be included in testing that day. Now I have to wait until Friday. *stomps and pouts*