How old is too old for a future Boer buck herd sire???

[oz in SC V2.0]

And a few other questions....
Been looking(until our eyes water) at goats from anywhere relatively close(meaning six hours or so one way driving time) and have found a few potential candidates.

One we have found in our very own town,he is much older,5 years old and is....impressive looking, to us at least.Solid red.



We have also found a much younger buck down in GA, is less than a year.
He is a paint,has won a few shows.



This is this bucks sire:

Thanks.

[AuntKitty]

I have Nubians so I don't know much about Boers. Just wanted to say I love that last picture, looks like "don't hate me because I'm so handsome". They both look very impressive to my limited knowledge. I would ask about their temperment and how easy to handle they are. With the younger one having been in shows, I would bet he is more used to being handled. The big red one will sure look good in the pasture though!

Kitty

[FrogTacos]

Do you have their ABGA #s?

Im still not a huge fan of the younger ones forehead but other than that he is absolutely beautiful - very well muscled all the way through. Nice big round butt.

The red one is down on his pasterns in front - cant tell about rear feet.

[KSALguy]

age wise both would be just fine, both are impressive animals but the older one is a bit out of condition, if he had some good tlc he probably would perk right up, the younger one is in good condition, he is nice and thick, but not quite as long as i would like, if you have nice long bodied does though that wouldnt be a problem, do they both have papers? whats the price differince? you would clearly get more years of use out of the younger one but the other still has several years left also,

[saanengirl]

I don't think 5 years is too old, but I like the younger buck better than the older buck. At least among the Boers I have observed it appears that in the same herd the red Boers don't have the muscling of the traditional Boers.

[Alice In TX/MO]

UGLY face on the traditionally colored one. Would you have to worry about that nose getting worse in the next generations?

[mpete]

It goes back to the question: Are you looking for show quality? A commercial buck? What are you planning?

[oz in SC V2.0]

This is about the big red buck.

The 5 year old buck, is Red Creek Red Ryder, he is a breeding machine. At last show weight, he came in at 325lbs. He is a big ole baby and very gentle. He came to me from Red Creek Farm in south Ga. He has south africa (SA), codi/pci, bloodlines. Sire- Rawhide SA Codi/Pci, Chisum, Codi Red Girl SA, His dam- Fiddlers Ridge R07, Eggsorcist (ENNOBLED), Hilltop Eggs R337, Penny Man, DOB 12/18/06.

The younger buck is out of a Bon Joli sire.

Both are the same asking price.

[dbarjacres]

I like the red because I really dislike those heads like the paint has. As far as legs, I've seen worse. I think the red's knee looks flatter than the paint's. That's a pet peeve of mine.

Age I think you'd be fine.

[oz in SC V2.0]

Originally Posted by mpete

It goes back to the question: Are you looking for show quality? A commercial buck? What are you planning?

No plans to show ourselves,would like to sell good quality breeding stock however.

Commercial will be another side too.

Lets face it,unless the Boer has only two legs,you can get at least $150 for a doe and around the same for a buck.

[saanengirl]

The 4-H market for market does and wethers (particularly wethers) has gotten really big and people are willing to pay a lot for a wether that is likely to win.

[mpete]

To me the Red is better... mostly because of the fault on the younger ones head... but the jaw thing I mentioned in the other thread is a hereditary trait... so if his teeth does not meet his upper plate then that could be passed to his offspring and make them ineligible for show as of 2013.

[mpete]

Do you have any does yet?

[saanengirl]

I'm not seeing any problems with the head on the traditionally marked buck. Yes, he has a big Roman nose, but that's not a fault. He actually has a nice head overall.

I really don't think there is that much difference in the knees either. I think it is just the way they are standing.

I don't like the way that the red buck elbows out.

[oz in SC V2.0]

We have three unregistered does,although they are FB just no papers due to us buying from a backyard breeder type guy.

[mygoat]

I too like the red better, I don't think the feet are that bad - may be a trim or Se deficiency issue (I've seen some animals down on their pasterns have much better feet after a BoSe shot!). He does look like he needs a little TLC (not THAT bad of shape, imo).

5 years is not bad, especially concidering most only use a main herdsire for 3-4 years before moving him out. You should easily be able to get at least 3 years out of him with good management and light breeding, having a small herd.

I also really like the young guy, but hate his face. If it was a commercial herd ONLY, the young boy would be good (but I'd talk down their asking price IMO, and get him without papers). But if you're looking to sell quality breeding stock as well, pass on him and go with the red or a better buck in your price range.

[oz in SC V2.0]

I wonder how the young buck won a Reserve Grand Champion...I vaguely remember from my parents dog showing years that judges can pick and choose what they like...

[mygoat]

A show is just one judge's opinion at one time, and also just says he is the favorite of the judge, of the animals in the ring.

That's why I wish boers had a program like ADGA's Linear Appraisal.

[mpete]

I would love for Boers to have linear appraisals! That way they are being compared to the standard and not just what is in the ring... I have seen (sanctioned show) rings where there were only 2 goats to choose from....

[Oat Bucket Farm]

I like the red guy best, but I don't know anything about Boers.