Young goat just aborted, anything we should do?

nathan104 · #1 01/13/12, 04:10 PM

Our young boer goat apparantly aborted today. We didnt know she was bred and is too young. We have had them about 5 months. One of our other girls is very bagged up and should be kidding very soon.

We went out today and saw the smallest girl had blood and stuff down her back legs and on her tail. She was been very vocal yesterday and today a lot more than usual. We went out and walked the pasture and didnt find anything but did find the spot it happened as there was some blood on the ground. Didnt find anything that actually came out. Maybe something ate it?

Anything we should do for her? She seems fine other than the bloody discharge and being very vocal.

cayenne47 · #2 01/13/12, 06:58 PM

If you've had them for 5 months with no buck around, I'd be looking for a baby hidden somewhere. Five months is their gestation.

mpete · #3 01/13/12, 07:22 PM

being vocal can b her calling for her baby... it's possible something took it. The discharge is normal.

nathan104 · #4 01/13/12, 08:07 PM

Our bucks are in with them all the time. We have three does. The oldest didnt get bred the first time and we are hoping she got bred when she came back in. Another doe is due to pop any day now. Has a large bag and weve felt them move around in there.

This little girl is young and never bagged up.
but, if she was bred during the first heat like the other girl, it would be close to full term. WE looked all around the pasture and didnt see anything other than the spot with blood which my dog alerted me to.

Donna1982 · #5 01/13/12, 08:20 PM

They will tuck them up in something or under something. I would look again.

nathan104 · #6 01/13/12, 08:35 PM

Wouldnt she bag up and have milk though?

Donna1982 · #7 01/13/12, 08:44 PM

Unless she has no milk. We've had boers that never got a bag.

FrogTacos · #8 01/14/12, 09:07 AM

If she passed dead babies it is highly likely your dog ate them.

nathan104 · #9 01/14/12, 07:19 PM

Well, Im guessing that is what happened. Whatever she passed was not a live baby and either vultures or something else took care of it. Apparantly shee is back in heat as our buck is all over her today.

The other doe we have that should be kidding any day we put up in a pen today seperated from the herd. Im thinking she will kid either tonight or in the next few days. Cant wait.

Double C Acres · #10 01/14/12, 07:44 PM

I would strongly recommend separating the young doe from the buck for at least 1-2 heat cycles before breeding her again. She needs to have time to recover from this aborted pregnancy IMO. good luck with the next doe!

Donna1982 · #11 01/14/12, 08:05 PM

From what I understand the heat and birth scents smells the same.

mary,tx · #12 01/14/12, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Donna1982

From what I understand the heat and birth scents smells the same.

I think this is true. But, one of the first goats we brought home, we were told had just lost a kid a month or so before. She kidded about four months after we brought her home. Of course, I could not verify dates on it, but from what he'd told me, she must have come back into heat pretty soon after losing that kid.

nathan104 · #13 01/14/12, 10:21 PM

She seems to be in heat. She is rubbing and "kissing on our buck and flagging her tail at him real fast. He had been jumping up on her to mount her when we went out there and noticed it today. As for the birth smell, he wasnt interested in her at all for two days while she has had the bloody discharge on her back legs, but just started rutting on her today. As for seperating them, I would imagine she is already bred back now if she is receptive in the heat. If it had been recomended at first when I posted this about anything we needed to do we could have seperated them. I guess that is something not just myself but all the others who saw my post before today didnt know. Good learning experience for everyone.

ShyAnne · #14 01/15/12, 01:16 AM

Nathan, does she look different at all in her belly area? Maybe the blood on her back side isnt from kidding? I say this because I had a doe that bred and bled. The vet checked her out and said she didnt find anything wrong. She even USed her. It only happened once and 5 months later she kidded.... very strange.. And she wasnt a First freshener when it happened...I still have no idea what it was, but glad it didnt happen again.

FrogTacos · #15 01/15/12, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by nathan104

She seems to be in heat. She is rubbing and "kissing on our buck and flagging her tail at him real fast. He had been jumping up on her to mount her when we went out there and noticed it today. As for the birth smell, he wasnt interested in her at all for two days while she has had the bloody discharge on her back legs, but just started rutting on her today. As for seperating them, I would imagine she is already bred back now if she is receptive in the heat. If it had been recomended at first when I posted this about anything we needed to do we could have seperated them. I guess that is something not just myself but all the others who saw my post before today didnt know. Good learning experience for everyone.

I really don't mean to be insulting or tell you how to run your farm, but in one post you said she was too young, then in another you said she has been running with your buck for months - and now you say that someone should have recommended separating them? Common sense should have come along at some point in this operation. If you don't want a goat to get pregnant, you do not give a buck access to her - period.

mary,tx · #16 01/15/12, 08:15 AM

Yea, I don't think anyone even thought about the buck having access to her, since most of us are not running bucks with does, and since you mentioned she was too small. I thought you were wondering about meds and such.

But, what's done is done, and she'll probably have a good delivery in five months.

"SPIKE" · #17 01/15/12, 10:29 AM

Okay, nobody get mad at me, please!

This is a serious situation for the goat, but the last posts made me think of my signature lines.

What part of it applies where?

SPIKE

nathan104 · #18 01/15/12, 12:57 PM

Well, as Ive stated already, our gots run as a herd. Bucks and does. The guy we got them from had them running all together like this. This is our first experience with goats. I had no idea she would come back into heat within a day of aborting. I also did not know she needed a couple of heat cycles before she was bred. As for her being to young, from what I read online and in the goat books, they wont come into heat until they are 4 months old. She wasnt. Apparently she came in early. So, I guess common sense shoul have told me the goat info on the web and in the books are wrong. hmmm. When you have someone come on here and ask for help of what to do in a certain situation and no one mentions a certain thing to do, and then after that thing comes up everyone says"oh well, yeah, that should have been done." Gee, common sense tells me know it SHOULD have been done but hind sight is 20/20. If I see someone else post something like this in the future, Ill know to tell them to seperate the buck as she will come back in heat right away, not wait until its too late and then chastize them for not doing it. Geez, if a person knows everything that should be done, they wouldnt post for help and questions on a goat forum.

SHYANN- We never saw any change in her belly or body condition. She still looks exactly the same as she always has. But, also has always carried a big belly on both sides.

At this point, I dont guess it matters, whats done is already done. If she is bred now, she is still young but old enough now to breed. We will see what happens.

mary,tx · #19 01/15/12, 05:45 PM

How old is she? I have had goats breed as young as five months, but that is WAY too young. If you still think she is too young or too small, there is something you can do about it.

Two of my doelings got bred too young this year because a buck came through the fence. I called the vet and had him draw me up two needles of Lutalyse, and aborted them. You have to wait about a month after the breeding, so that the egg has implanted. But it's easy to do. Then, of course, you have to have a way to separate her, or it hasn't helped.

nathan104 · #20 01/15/12, 07:27 PM

If she breeds now, I beleive she is old enough. She is still on the small side but is around 7-8 months old now. So, she will be a year old or so when she kids. When we got her, she was 2-3 months old and I didnt think she would be in heat and breed that young but I guess she did. I never saw her doing the in heat dance or flagging her tail or anything the first time. Yesterday, she was in heat though and it is over today. We will just have to see what happens.

We are expecting another doe to kid very soon, we have her penned up in our goat shelter, hopefully she drops soon!