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12/31/11, 07:36 PM
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Worth the risk?
We're having a super hard time finding a second doe that is CAE negative. Everyone we call "doesn't know". We've found a guy who is actually in our town selling registered Nubian yearling does who were bred in November, but of course he hasn't tested. How high is the risk really? I'm very leery but not testing seems to be an epidemic around here.
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12/31/11, 07:44 PM
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I'd say the risk is high. If she's positive, then it was 100%.
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12/31/11, 07:47 PM
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If you really like his goats then ask him if you can put a deposit on her with an agreement and YOU have her tested. If she is positive then you get your deposit back. You would be out the testing money but your herd will stay clean and you won't have the heartbreak of putting down a doe you've bonded with. CAE is a prevalent problem that cost you financially, and emotionally. Don't risk it.
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12/31/11, 07:49 PM
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Test them! Takes just a couple minutes to draw blood and get results within a week generally.
The risk is pretty darn high.
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12/31/11, 07:50 PM
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Also where are you located because there maybe a member here that is close enought to meet that has tested herds.
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12/31/11, 09:44 PM
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I agree with KrisD. It's always much better to test first rather than risk bringing CAE into your herd.
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12/31/11, 09:46 PM
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Well, I've found a quality Saanen breeder 1 1/2 hours away, which is pretty reasonable. Hopefully they will contact me back!
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12/31/11, 10:28 PM
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I wouldn't do it. Cost as much to feed a disease free goat as it does a positive one. A disease free goat you can definately get something back from (milk)...... A positive doe is a gamble, she may not show symptoms & be a good milker or she could freshen with a rock hard udder & you get nothing....
My friend started with positive goats. When her doe freshened the udder was rock hard & she kidded in the middle of the night so the kids nursed & were infected too. It was a huge heartbreak for them & they had to start all over.
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12/31/11, 10:33 PM
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If you didn't mind sharing your general location, 10 to 1 someone can steer you to a reputable breeder with nice tested goats.
Quality Saanens sounds good! 
And never worth the risk. Patience and diligence are so important with anything - especially quality disease free goats!
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12/31/11, 11:09 PM
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Don't get a saanen. I'm annoyed with mine today because she likes to chew my hair and manged to get the rubber band off of my braid. It took forever before I could get it out of her mouth. She outweighs me and took me for a nice drag. She thought it was frolicking good fun. They can also baa with their mouths shut which drives you crazy when you have a lot of goats because you can't tell who is calling you. It also sounds far off which makes you think one of them is lost so you have to do a quick head count. They also don't like to eat their minerals out of the mineral feeder. It tastes better if you hand feed it. She'll stand at the feeder and nose through it until you hand feed it to her. They also steal your gloves out of your pocket when you're not looking and then chew the fingers off before you can get the glove back. People say they're stand-offish but they're just hanging back and assessing the best way too make you laugh (or go crazy). Mine is named Skwiss. She's lucky she's pretty.
I adore her. She's a total clown.
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A breed cannot be judged by the behavior of one individual. :-/ Saanens are very nice goats as a rule.
Anyway....as to the OP's question, I would not be satisfied with a single negative test, either, because a doe can test negative and turn up positive later once she has been stressed. The only sure fire way is to buy a goat from people who take CAE seriously as a threat against their herd and are doing everything they can to stop it. The cost of buying negative stock is nothing compared to the expense of losing all the goats you have when a positive animal infects all the others and you lose all of them, the feed and time invested, the milk you'd planned on having, etc. Buy from out of state if you have to, but do buy your animals from a reputable breeder.
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Quote:
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A breed cannot be judged by the behavior of one individual. :-/ Saanens are very nice goats as a rule.
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I'm sorry. I was trying to be funny. My saanen has so much personality and keeps us all hopping. She is a great goat in every aspect. She's a bit spoiled though.  If you can find a good disease free saanen snatch her up!
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Quote:
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I'm sorry. I was trying to be funny. My saanen has so much personality and keeps us all hopping. She is a great goat in every aspect. She's a bit spoiled though. If you can find a good disease free saanen snatch her up! |
Agreed.  I just have two and know whose 'voice' is whose so I can figure out who is calling me.
I love watching them play.....Snowflake runs across the field.... sideways. They're full of personality, that's for sure.
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01/01/12, 08:13 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by andabigmac
Don't get a saanen. I'm annoyed with mine today because she likes to chew my hair and manged to get the rubber band off of my braid. It took forever before I could get it out of her mouth. She outweighs me and took me for a nice drag. She thought it was frolicking good fun. They can also baa with their mouths shut which drives you crazy when you have a lot of goats because you can't tell who is calling you. It also sounds far off which makes you think one of them is lost so you have to do a quick head count. They also don't like to eat their minerals out of the mineral feeder. It tastes better if you hand feed it. She'll stand at the feeder and nose through it until you hand feed it to her. They also steal your gloves out of your pocket when you're not looking and then chew the fingers off before you can get the glove back. People say they're stand-offish but they're just hanging back and assessing the best way too make you laugh (or go crazy). Mine is named Skwiss. She's lucky she's pretty.
I adore her. She's a total clown.
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sounds a lot like mine, he's completely convinced me to never bring home another Saanen
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01/01/12, 08:26 AM
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I love my Saanen crosses. Lovely both in looks and personality.
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Just as you might have a car taken to a mechanic(on your own dime) to have it checked out,why can't you do the same with any prospective goat you like?
You would be out the money if you end up not buying it,but that is the chance you take.
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01/01/12, 10:10 AM
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Even if they tell you their goats are tested and negative, ALWAYS get the hardcopy proof. And then test the goat again when you get it home. Goat people who are serious about CAE won't mind. And if they do get miffed, then go on down the road.
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01/01/12, 10:18 AM
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Our three weren't tested until we had them tested,they had also been with two different herds at two different locations.
However all tested negative but that is certainly not because of anything the seller did.
All we have as proof of the being negative is a copy of the Vet's bill,is that what you are referring to?
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01/01/12, 10:44 AM
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First let me say that I do not mean to down play the importance of getting health and desease free animals. I was looking for tested animals also.
Correct me if I am wrong on this, but sometimes test are not 100% correct especially with young animals.
As I stated on here when I introduced my goat family, my goats had not been tested. I purchased from a closed herd and had 4 generations of animals to see on site. I visited this farm for several months before I made a purchase and even helped on the farm a couple of times. I came to know the owners well enough to trust them.
Did I make a mistake? Time will tell.
IMO How well you know the people you are dealing with and the history of their herd can be very important input on the situation. Have there ever been goats on your property, before you purchased it ? That could be important also.
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01/01/12, 11:57 AM
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Can't deer bring CAE onto your land?
I seem to remember reading that somewhere.
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