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12/13/11, 09:17 PM
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Need urgent help!
I have a 4 yo Nubian doe in labor. Had a normal sized buckling about 2 hours ago. I have been in 3x now all the way to my elbow (I am not a small woman - its about 16 inches) and can't feel anything. I feel the cervix and I am past that and in far enough to open my hand out and still feel nothing. She is still pawing and squating and trying to push. Any ideas?
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12/13/11, 09:24 PM
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She is probably trying to pass the placenta. If you can't feel anything, there probably isn't another kid.
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12/13/11, 09:28 PM
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She's big enough that I was expecting triplets and has never had a single kidding before - even at first freshening. I've paged the vet but no answer yet.
Thanks for the help!
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12/13/11, 09:29 PM
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Any idea how long before her cervix starts to close up? I have some oxytocin the vet gave me for a retained placenta, but it is over a year old. Should I try that?
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12/13/11, 09:31 PM
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If she is pushing, she doesn't need oxytocin. If you have been watching her all this time and haven't seen the placenta, and she has stopped pushing it wouldn't hurt.
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12/13/11, 09:34 PM
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She had a rope of whatever hanging out of her but it was mostly white - not as red as past placentas have been. It came out when I pulled my arm back out.
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12/13/11, 09:36 PM
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Forgot to say that I can't bounce her - her abdomen is too rigid
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12/13/11, 09:37 PM
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That was the placenta. You don't need to give her the oxytocin.
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12/13/11, 09:42 PM
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The one time we were worried about a doe that had a rather hard labor and gave birth to a goliath of a buckling and was having trouble getting the placenta out, I called Emily at Ozark Jewels (my go to person when I'm starting to panic,lol). She recommended we give the doe a dose of CMPK (the injectable, not the oral). We did and sure enough a little while later she (the doe, not Emily) was able to pass the placenta just fine.
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12/13/11, 09:43 PM
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Leave her alone for a while. 
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12/13/11, 09:54 PM
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Thanks everybody. She now is passing what looks more like a placenta to me. She still is squating and pushing and laying down too. She was just so big and the buckling is big but normal size for her in the past. I was so excited to finally get to see a birth because I have always been at work or gone into the house for something when it happened. I'm glad I was here.
Oh and she started eating peanut hay right after she cleaned the buckling. Is that normal if they are still in labor?
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12/13/11, 10:31 PM
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Oh and she started eating peanut hay right after she cleaned the buckling. Is that normal if they are still in labor?
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I've never seen one eat before they had all the babies
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12/13/11, 10:34 PM
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The stringy white tendon looking cords to me are a sign that they are done kidding and the afterbirth is all that is left. If you have been up to your elbow I would say there are no more unless she was a very overweight doe who has "saddlebags" where kids might be sitting. I would not keep going in and just let her be for a while.
I have had does in labor eat, they eat no matter what lol
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Last edited by thaiblue12; 12/13/11 at 11:02 PM.
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12/13/11, 10:42 PM
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I had a doe that seemed to view birthing as a distraction to eating or whatever else. She never even layed down, but just squatted to expel a kid and ate off the stack between poofing them out. Never uttered a sound. She was a good mother, but definitely had her priorities... Never had another like her.
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12/13/11, 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by lazysheep
I had a doe that seemed to view birthing as a distraction to eating or whatever else. She never even layed down, but just squatted to expel a kid and ate off the stack between poofing them out. Never uttered a sound. She was a good mother, but definitely had her priorities... Never had another like her.
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Now I want a doe like THAT!
Aunt Kitty, if she's still straining, 30cc of CMPK couldn't hurt.
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12/14/11, 06:56 AM
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Congratulations on the new baby! Don't forget pictures & I am so glad your doe & baby are doing well.
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12/14/11, 08:51 AM
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Well, apparently I have a doe who likes to snack while in labor too. And apparently the ropy white stuff isn't always the placenta. The vet never called me and I sat in the barn all night with her straining, getting up, laying down, pawing and nesting. I gave her the CMPK and a shot of bose since that has helped my other doe when she had a retained placenta. Finally at about 5:30 this morning she had another live big kid and an extremely small dead buckling - more than 10 hours after the first kid was born. The dead buckling came first in a really big sack so I think when I went in what I was feeling was that big sack and not the far side of the uterus like I thought. Oh well, we live and we learn.
The moral of this story is trust your instincts. YOU know your doe and what is normal for her.
The good news is I think the 2nd live kid is a doeling but we all know my track record on being wrong about that at least once every kidding. Does anyone know a feminine sounding name that means "miracle"?
Thanks for all your help! Kitty
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12/14/11, 01:55 PM
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12/14/11, 03:37 PM
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OMG Kitty! You did GOOD! Is it a doeling?
When you said up to your elbow - I kept wondering. . .
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12/14/11, 03:46 PM
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Congrats on staying on top of her labor!!!
With you saying you went in three times and then retaining a dead kid for that long, call the vet and ask about antibiotics, I would start a course ASAP, you don't want to loose her at this point, she sounds like a great doe.
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