Ok, Im goat milker stupid

Cannon_Farms · #1 07/11/11, 10:57 PM

Poor Alice has been very paitent with me but I just dont seem to be able to understand all this.

Im looking at this on ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/SURGE-MILKER-BUC...95631011312166

However even though it says complete I dont feel that it is for the fact there is no type of compressor so what else would I need?

I have not had a great deal of time or brain width do research all this Im kinda fried right now so if some one wants to help an exhausted brain dead pregnant lady please feel free.

Im saving for one Alice pointed me too, however time is running out faster than money is adding up so I need to scrimp if I can.

Alice In TX/MO · #2 07/11/11, 11:07 PM

It says BUCKET complete. Not a complete milking *system.* It's still just the bucket and lid (with pulsator) and inflations.

No vacuum pump.

edited to add:

I read the description below the pic on ebay, and it does say that you have to have your own vacuum pump. A good one is $400 or so, and that gets you to the price that Mr. Perry sells the complete system for.

Also, note that the bucket/inflations are set up for a cow. The hoses are short, and there are four inflations. The bucket would sit directly under the cow's belly. Not enough room under most goats for that assembly, so you'd have to make some adjustments anyway.

Alice In TX/MO · #3 07/11/11, 11:22 PM

I found a website with a good pic that has everything in line. You don't need the cart, but the pic shows what you need.

http://www.diytrade.com/china/4/prod...g_machine.html

From left to right:
two inflations (teat cups)
vacuum hose that goes from the inflations to the vacuum pump, running for part of the way along with the...
milk hoses that run from inflations to the milk pail/bucket
vacuum pump (blue thing on the right, but mine isn't that big)

On this system, you can't see the pulsator and vacuum gauge, but don't worry about that. I just think it's a good pic for seeing how things line up.

Creamers · #4 07/12/11, 12:52 AM

http://www.diytrade.com/china/4/prod...g_machine.html
that - minus the cart - is what you need

Alice In TX/MO · #5 07/12/11, 07:24 AM

Just a note:

Buckets and pumps come in different styles and sizes. My bucket is the Surge bucket like your ebay pic. The one on diytrade.com is a DeLaval bucket. My vacuum pump is smaller than that one and not blue.

Rechellef · #6 07/12/11, 08:00 AM

Also, be sure all hoses are food grade. Some of the older rubber hoses are no good and would need to be replaced.

Heritagefarm · #7 07/12/11, 09:26 AM

Milk machines are rather complicated, and you've really got to see one in real life before you really understand how it works. (I still can't believe Gustaf De Laval made this thing!) Also be aware that this is a machine, and hence can break, and therefore if you buy it used you run the chance of it breaking. So be sure to buy from a reputable person! Of course, ours was used, and it works just fine and is 15 years old.
Now, the milker bucket you were looking at could have been turned into a milk machine relatively easily. You'd need a vacuum pump, some plumbing, and a pulsator attachment. Also, though, Surge milkers don't work on goats as well (I've heard), so aim for a nice clear soft plastic setup. (you can also see what you're doing and what's going on better.) We have claws (valves) on each inflation, so one can be taken off one teat while the other still milks. The pulsator has a tube that goes to the inflations and acts as the milking hand... In a lot of cases, easier on the goat than hand milking.

Alice In TX/MO · #8 07/12/11, 09:48 AM

The bucket on ebay HAS a pulsator.

It doesn't have a pressure gauge or vacuum pump.

Heritagefarm · #9 07/12/11, 09:56 AM

Well then it gets even simpler, just attach a reversed compresser on the machine and find out how much of the udder gets sucked into the bucket!!!

Anyways, I also noticed that that is a belly milker and you have to shove it under the goats to make it work, and then put claws on the other two inflations to keep them off. You could put new hoses on that, though.

LoneStrChic23 · #10 07/12/11, 11:37 AM

Slight thread drift....

What bucket would you prefer, Surge or Delaval? Why?

Pros & cons of each?

Alice In TX/MO · #11 07/12/11, 11:58 AM

They are all heavy.

BTW, you don't have to put claws on the unused outlets. Just run a short piece of tube from one to the other.

You do NOT have to shove the bucket under the goat's belly. This was covered in a post above. You use longer milk lines and have the bucket next to the goat. See the pic.

houndlover · #12 07/12/11, 03:56 PM

Good milker supply places:

http://hambydairysupply.com/xcart/home.php?cat=75

http://www.partsdeptonline.com/

Alice In TX/MO · #13 07/12/11, 04:16 PM

Much more reasonably priced milker place:

http://www.perrysmilkers.com/

CarolT · #14 07/12/11, 07:09 PM

Have to ask, what's the difference between a vacuum pump and a vacuum cleaner? May be a dumb question but it occured to me so I'm curious

Alice In TX/MO · #15 07/12/11, 07:14 PM

A vacuum cleaner pulls air through it in greater volume and lower pressure. Pressure's not the right word for vacuum measurement, but you know what I mean.

A vacuum pump pull a lesser volume of air, but higher (and variable) pressure.

Technical explanation with pics:
http://www.absolute-vacuum.com/resou...vacuumpump.php

KrisD · #16 07/12/11, 11:21 PM

Cannon,,
Or if you can figure out a way to ship you can buy my Surge milker complete WITH pump, pulsator, pressure gauges, complete bucket with an extra bucket. It does need new hoses which you should get with any used milker. Mine only needs a new belt which any hardware store should have. Mine is $250 COMPLETE!

I need another goat so I need to sell it so I have some money

Figure out how to ship it and you can have yourself a working milker.

LoneStrChic23 · #17 07/13/11, 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KrisD

I need another goat so I need to sell it so I have some money

Well, well, well......surely someone isn't suffering from a goat addition problem are they??!

lol When your selling off things & toss the word "need" in the sentence twice, its a sure sign your an incurable goat addict.

KrisD · #18 07/13/11, 01:09 AM

LSC,

Is there a 12 step program for goat addiction? LOL I may need it. If my husband has any say I might be sleeping out with the goats hehehe.

Cannon_Farms · #19 07/13/11, 06:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KrisD

Cannon,,
Or if you can figure out a way to ship you can buy my Surge milker complete WITH pump, pulsator, pressure gauges, complete bucket with an extra bucket. It does need new hoses which you should get with any used milker. Mine only needs a new belt which any hardware store should have. Mine is $250 COMPLETE!

I need another goat so I need to sell it so I have some money

Figure out how to ship it and you can have yourself a working milker.

Im still stuck finding a vacuum pump which still puts me at the cost of buying one from the folks Alice posted above on, let me see this evening if I can find one cheaper but so far no luck on that.

Alice In TX/MO · #20 07/13/11, 07:57 AM

I can tell you that I went through months of the same searches and trauma. I called vacuum pump distributors and freaked them out with goat related questions. LOL.

KrisD, it would help if you'd post your location in the UserCP (Control Panel). That's located on the blue tool bar near the top of the page.