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06/07/11, 05:40 PM
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how pricey is shipping for CAE testing really?
We went to Connor Prairie today and one of the guys working there I told I had a few goats to which he replied "would you like a few more". I'd like to consider the offer but these goats have not been raised on any kind of CAE prevention so I suppose that would be my immediate first step before going much further.
I guess from Indiana to Iowa (biotracking right?), does it have to be overnighted or packed in coolant of some type? Should I have a vet draw the blood or can anyone who can locate a good vein manage it. (my sister is a vet tech, just handles dogs and cats though not goats)
What other things can and should I test for before bringing any others home?
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06/07/11, 05:54 PM
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You can draw it yourself. Use syringes from the feed store and red top vacutainers from the vet or Jeffers Livestock online.
Use Priority Mail shipping. It's not bad.
No cooling required.
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06/07/11, 06:03 PM
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Priority mail shipping is about $5 but it took almost a month for my package to reach biotracking from KY  I think it is about $10 if you talk to biotracking and get them to hook you up with the fed ex guys and thier discount.
The trick to drawing blood was to get the angle of the head right.
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06/07/11, 06:37 PM
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awesome, wonder why it is that more goat people don't test then? This just seems so "ounce of prevention is a pound of cure" kind of logic
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06/07/11, 06:38 PM
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Do NOT tell them that there's liquid/biohazard anything in the package. If you do, it ships ground ONLY and takes FOREVER to get to the lab.
Secondly, if you ship priority, YES you do want a cooler/ice pack. Priority gets it there in a couple days, but you will absolutely want a cooler/ice pack. I've used a gel ice pack (do NOT use water) and gotten a styrofoam worm bin from a local fish bait store, packed it all well in a box, and shipped that way with no issues. The red topped tubes do NOT have any preservatives in them, and therefore refridgeration and chilled shipping is absolutely required. You cannot use preservative blood tubes for CAE/CL/Johne's testing. Lukewarm blood will spoil and contaminants use it like growth media, possibly causing false positive test results (especially with CL tests). You want them chilled to stop or slow the growth of bacteria and have an accurate test done on the samples. Chilling is the only way to keep the samples as close to how they were when taken from the goat. 
WADDL has an overnight shipping deal through UPS (I think its UPS). If you call WADDL they'll give you the number, and WADDL bills you 18.00 (way cheap for overnight) when they bill you for the tests done. You may be able to get away with not using an ice pack with this method, but in hot weather I still use one.
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06/07/11, 06:42 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by eclipchic
awesome, wonder why it is that more goat people don't test then? This just seems so "ounce of prevention is a pound of cure" kind of logic
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If you can find the answer to this question, please let us know! I personally believe too many people are ignorant (terrifying) and others don't see it as a 'big deal'... *sigh*.
50% of producers surveyed by the USDA 2009 Goat Producers survey had never heard of CL. The rest of the stats on the diseases are just as terrifying.
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06/07/11, 07:26 PM
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Wrong on ice pack. This is from Biotracking's website:
Samples for all species except equine may stay in transit for several days (two-weeks or more) without ice packs and without compromising the results of the test.
You may have been thinking of shipping milk samples. Milk does require ice packs. Blood does not.
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06/07/11, 07:38 PM
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I know that ice isn't required for BioTracking CAE testing.. but I always use an ice pack.. even in winter.. I just like the idea of that blood getting there in the best shape possible.
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06/07/11, 09:17 PM
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Last I saw Biotracking suggested a coolant when shipping blood for CAE during summer months.
http://www.biotracking.com/pdfs/BT_2...ule_112310.pdf
I just about always include an ice pack. Better safe than sorry. It is only a dollar after all.
I use Priority Mail (the $5+ Flat Rate box when shipping just a few, or the Medium Flat Rate when running whole herd).
I follow the instructions to a T including putting Animal Exempt Specimen on the outside of the box. I ship on Monday/Tuesday and so far they have always arrived in time for Wednesday/Friday testings.
I have had three friends who used Priority and the blood took much longer to get there. Not sure why.
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06/07/11, 10:19 PM
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I use a ice pack if during the summer. But I usually pull and do preg and CAE at the same time in Dec. or Jan. and don't use.
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06/07/11, 10:26 PM
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Ah, that makes sense. I've never shipped blood in the summer.
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06/08/11, 01:34 AM
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That's fairly new info from Biotracking on the summer shipping since it wasn't there till they revamped their site.
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06/08/11, 07:39 AM
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It was there before this most recent change. It has been suggested on the site under collant section since I can recall and I started shipping blood to them three + years ago.
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06/08/11, 09:50 AM
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That's why I love my vet - only $7 per test (and flat rate of $12 visit even if I bring everyone in together).
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06/08/11, 09:55 AM
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The LSU testing is free.
Only cost is the shipping. About $30 from Missouri. Less from Texas.
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06/08/11, 10:03 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rechellef
That's why I love my vet - only $7 per test (and flat rate of $12 visit even if I bring everyone in together).
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I may check with the local vet too, but for this purpose I'll probably just mail it in
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