Bout stray goats

[am1too]

How far will a goat stray from home? Will they just go back? It seems I have a neighbor making no effort to return a goat on his property. He claims the (pigmy) goat has strayed over a quarter mile through brush. The problem is the cute little rascal attracted the attention of my 3 puppies and the chase was on. I sure can't keep up with them. Drug 3 30 pound puppies back home through a 4 strand barb wire fence. Can't say the goat was on my place for sure.

Anybody know what I can do? What am I obligated to do? I have a small acreage and resent having to tie my dogs up. Is my neighbor obligated to protect his livestock, maybe a guest cause he is unwilling to catch and return it. It was seconds from becoming lunch. It sure was scared. Today it was right back at the fence line.

I kinda think my neighbor is baiting my dogs. He throws out table scraps also. The property is unattended most of the day.

[Alice In TX/MO]

Whose goat is it?

You are obligated to keep your dogs on your own property.

[wolffeathers]

You need fencing that can keep your dogs in.

He needs fencing that can keep his goat in.

Animal Control is able to pick up either and all for being at large. If your dogs are ever caught chasing his goat on his property, he is legally able to shoot and kill your dogs.

If you can't afford a fence; tether, kennel, or walk your dogs on a leash. Then the next time his goat comes a visiting, your dogs are under control and you can call Animal Control to take care of the goat. Even if the chase begins on your property, the moment it crosses onto his, he is able to destroy your dogs in protecting his property(livestock).

[Rannod]

I have had stray dogs (neighbors) cross that line and do damage those dogs never crossed the line again I agree with all the postings a good dog owner keeps his dogs under control and I own dogs and 3 dogs is a pack
Remember good fences make for GOOD neighbors

[am1too]

Originally Posted by wolffeathers

You need fencing that can keep your dogs in.

He needs fencing that can keep his goat in.

Animal Control is able to pick up either and all for being at large. If your dogs are ever caught chasing his goat on his property, he is legally able to shoot and kill your dogs.

If you can't afford a fence; tether, kennel, or walk your dogs on a leash. Then the next time his goat comes a visiting, your dogs are under control and you can call Animal Control to take care of the goat. Even if the chase begins on your property, the moment it crosses onto his, he is able to destroy your dogs in protecting his property(livestock).

Yeah if I lived in town, I would see your point much better.

My brother had a cockker spaniel that would some how clear a 6 ft wood fence to chase cars.

I have a neighbor that has a real problem. one dog jumps the fence. another digs under it and the thrid ons simply knows how to operate the gate. Barbed wire is the norm in the county. My neighbor baits my dogs with left over dinner. I'd love to see you keep control of a dog when 3 horses come by at a full gallop. My dog ran around the fence 75 ft away from the property line. A dog will chase anything that runs. If it sees something jump the fence there goes the dog.

Barbed wire won't control any goat. Now it is a property line fence. BTW I don't think I understand which one would be leagally at fault. Would I be legally at fault if my dog chased the goat back accross the property line before catching it? That would be the same as the game warden and a deer if my dog caught one. They are legal property of the state.

There is no animal control in the county outside city limits. The animal shelter informed me it is my problem to deal with the city people dropping off animals.

In my op I also asked if a goat would stray over a quarter mile through brush. I asked this because I'm not sure it isn't a drop off. I have never seen goats where the neighbor said it came from. I'mnot real sure that the neighbor isn't messing with me either.

[HTG_zoo]

No matter where you live, you have a duty to your neighbors and your animals to keep them on your own property. In most states, if your animal goes on someone else's property and does damage, you're at fault, even if the chase started on your property, you're bound to keep your animals on your side of the line. A lot of states allow you to look up your codes online, so you might be able to get a definite answer there.

In most counties, the sheriff's office deals with animal complaints. Around here they don't come out for roaming animals and do advise people to shoot problem animals on their property (another good reason to keep your dogs at home).

I would imagine a goat could walk a 1/4 mile.

[Cheribelle]

A goat can easy go 1/4 mile. I used to have one that hung out with the dogs, went on their morning rounds one morning and didn't come back. Found him a mile away.

[Alice In TX/MO]

You are legally required to keep your dogs ON YOUR PLACE. Why they stray is of no importance at all. Your neighbor would be perfectly within his rights to shoot your dogs if they go on his place.

If your dog kills his goat on his place, you are in the wrong.

[Bay Mare]

Yes, a goat will roam 1/4 mile thru brush - in a matter of minutes depending on how much they stop to eat along the way.

Oklahoma is not an open range state - so whoever owns the goat is required to keep their livestock on their own property.

Most areas of the country also require dogs to be kept on the property. Read your county code to know for sure.

Either way you are both at fault. The owner of the goat for allowing it to roam. You for possibly the same thing or (if your county code doesn't restrict dogs free roaming) for allowing your dogs to harass or kill livestock on another person's property.

Your neighbor baiting your dogs thru the fence is a whole separate issue!

However, all three of these problems can be solved by one thing - a good fence.

[am1too]

Please folks I think I said my dogs are puppies. They are onl 6months old las week. They reasonably stay at home without a problem. I fully understand being required to restrain animals. I think technically it is being said that I must keep a dog tied down because of their nature. I have wild pests that need control and can't be done on tie down. If my dogs were going and doing damage somewhere I wouldn't say a word about them meeting their Maker. But enticing an animal goes beyond reasonable and shouldn't be attributed as a fault. So if an animal even a neighbors animal comes on my place and causes a problem I could terminate it. Now that wouldn't be being a good neighbor or incur a good relationship. A continued problem is something else.

My puppies aren't roaming they're being enticed beyond their natural abillity to pursue and free food.

[am1too]

Originally Posted by Bay Mare

Yes, a goat will roam 1/4 mile thru brush - in a matter of minutes depending on how much they stop to eat along the way.

Oklahoma is not an open range state - so whoever owns the goat is required to keep their livestock on their own property.

Most areas of the country also require dogs to be kept on the property. Read your county code to know for sure.

Either way you are both at fault. The owner of the goat for allowing it to roam. You for possibly the same thing or (if your county code doesn't restrict dogs free roaming) for allowing your dogs to harass or kill livestock on another person's property.

Your neighbor baiting your dogs thru the fence is a whole separate issue!

However, all three of these problems can be solved by one thing - a good fence.

I agree a good fence makes good neighbors.

At issue for me is my dogs were here first and the neighbor placed or allows animals on his place that aren't restrainded or protected by the fence in place nor does the fence keep out other predators. I have had several deer kills this year by predators and am quit suprised a lone pigmy goat surives more than a day.

[Alice In TX/MO]

They can only be enticed because you don't have a fence that will keep them in. If you don't have a dog proof fence to keep them in, then you are putting your dogs at risk and shirking responsibility.

!!! You have been told the same thing over and over. !!!

The law requires that you keep your dogs on your place or suffer the consequences. The whole enticement excuse is bogus. The "I was here first" excuse has NO legal standing.

BUILD A FENCE THAT WILL KEEP YOUR DOGS SAFELY ON YOUR PROPERTY.

[Bay Mare]

Originally Posted by am1too

Please folks I think I said my dogs are puppies. They are onl 6months old las week.

Their age does not matter.

Originally Posted by am1too

I fully understand being required to restrain animals. I think technically it is being said that I must keep a dog tied down because of their nature. I have wild pests that need control and can't be done on tie down.

No one has said to tie your dogs up. They have said to control your dogs. Keep them on your own property. Build a fence that will keep them in.

Originally Posted by am1too

If my dogs were going and doing damage somewhere I wouldn't say a word about them meeting their Maker.

But they are. By going off your property and harassing livestock (regardless of who owns it or where it is) they are causing damage and the law allows them to be shot by anyone - not just the owner.

Originally Posted by am1too

But enticing an animal goes beyond reasonable and shouldn't be attributed as a fault. So if an animal even a neighbors animal comes on my place and causes a problem I could terminate it. Now that wouldn't be being a good neighbor or incur a good relationship. A continued problem is something else.

My puppies aren't roaming they're being enticed beyond their natural abillity to pursue and free food.

The law does not care about enticement or anything else. The law says you must keep your animals on your property.

Originally Posted by am1too

At issue for me is my dogs were here first

The law does not care about that either.

I moved here about 5 years ago. The neighbor (who has lived here for over 20 years) had a 5 or 6 month old puppy that was coming onto my property and killing my chickens. He shot the dog.

Now, I would much have preferred they try something a little less drastic and even offered to help them install it but the neighbor solved the problem his own way. He knew that he was at fault by not keeping his dog on his property.

[wolffeathers]

You cannot blame your neighbor for your dog getting out, unless he is opening up the gate to a dogproof fence.

Nobody in this situation is in the right. Both are allowing animals to roam/escape/wonder/be tempted off the property/etc. If the animal leaves your property and it is NOT on a leash it is considered a roaming animal or an animal at large, period. If you get slapped with a fine, they won't have any of this "my neighbor baited them off". Not trying to be mean or harsh, that's just the way it is.

No, dogs can't keep preds away on a tie out. You're going to have to fix the fence so they can't escape for whatever reason/excuse.

We live next to a cemetary and cannot control who is walking our fenceline. I have watched men from the house taunt, yell, and lunge at my Great Pyr pup through the fence. The dog is my responsibility to control regardless of what is going on on the other side of the fence. If the dog were to jump the fence and end the taunting, it would be myself in the wrong. Should the guys have been teasing and taunting the dog? No, but it is still my responsibility to control my dogs, no matter the excuse.

If you already have a 3 strand barbed wire fence in place, why not run 2-3 strands of electric fence between the barbed wire. After a few good zaps, you're dogs will respect their barrier. Just make sure you get the appropiate fence charger and grounding rods.

This way they cannot be tempted into harms way by deer, goats, table scraps, or any other of the thousands of reasons a pack of young pups would go wandering.

[am1too]

Originally Posted by Alice In TX/MO

They can only be enticed because you don't have a fence that will keep them in. If you don't have a dog proof fence to keep them in, then you are putting your dogs at risk and shirking responsibility.

!!! You have been told the same thing over and over. !!!

The law requires that you keep your dogs on your place or suffer the consequences. The whole enticement excuse is bogus. The "I was here first" excuse has NO legal standing.

BUILD A FENCE THAT WILL KEEP YOUR DOGS SAFELY ON YOUR PROPERTY.

Simply amazing.

[Alice In TX/MO]

And.... amazingly simple.

[am1too]

Originally Posted by Bay Mare

Their age does not matter.

No one has said to tie your dogs up. They have said to control your dogs. Keep them on your own property. Build a fence that will keep them in.
But they are. By going off your property and harassing livestock (regardless of who owns it or where it is) they are causing damage and the law allows them to be shot by anyone - not just the owner.

The law does not care about enticement or anything else. The law says you must keep your animals on your property.

The law does not care about that either.

I moved here about 5 years ago. The neighbor (who has lived here for over 20 years) had a 5 or 6 month old puppy that was coming onto my property and killing my chickens. He shot the dog.

Now, I would much have preferred they try something a little less drastic and even offered to help them install it but the neighbor solved the problem his own way. He knew that he was at fault by not keeping his dog on his property.

Thanks. That is not what is happening. My dogs don't bother his other livestcok. Buyt then they don't dross the fence either. I don't think many are reading what I said. Or maybe I didn't communicate well. Maybe it is in the wrong forum.

[am1too]

Originally Posted by wolffeathers

You cannot blame your neighbor for your dog getting out, unless he is opening up the gate to a dogproof fence.

Nobody in this situation is in the right. Both are allowing animals to roam/escape/wonder/be tempted off the property/etc. If the animal leaves your property and it is NOT on a leash it is considered a roaming animal or an animal at large, period. If you get slapped with a fine, they won't have any of this "my neighbor baited them off". Not trying to be mean or harsh, that's just the way it is.

No, dogs can't keep preds away on a tie out. You're going to have to fix the fence so they can't escape for whatever reason/excuse.

We live next to a cemetary and cannot control who is walking our fenceline. I have watched men from the house taunt, yell, and lunge at my Great Pyr pup through the fence. The dog is my responsibility to control regardless of what is going on on the other side of the fence. If the dog were to jump the fence and end the taunting, it would be myself in the wrong. Should the guys have been teasing and taunting the dog? No, but it is still my responsibility to control my dogs, no matter the excuse.

If you already have a 3 strand barbed wire fence in place, why not run 2-3 strands of electric fence between the barbed wire. After a few good zaps, you're dogs will respect their barrier. Just make sure you get the appropiate fence charger and grounding rods.

This way they cannot be tempted into harms way by deer, goats, table scraps, or any other of the thousands of reasons a pack of young pups would go wandering.

Ok I quit. I'll sell and move back to town. It ain't worth it.

[Alice In TX/MO]

Um..... you do know that the laws in towns and cities require that you keep your dog controlled, too, right?

[mrs.H]

Originally Posted by am1too

The problem is the cute little rascal attracted the attention of my 3 puppies and the chase was on. I sure can't keep up with them. Drug 3 30 pound puppies back home through a 4 strand barb wire fence. Can't say the goat was on my place for sure.

If you had to chase after them through 4 strand barb wire fence, and then drag them back through a 4 strand barb wire fence, then clearly, your fence can't contain your dogs. You said your dogs cross the fence.