Eye membrane white

[wmsff]

OK.... New post here. I asked a question about her udder and it ended up with she is riddled with worms.

Lavern asked me about her eyes. I will post my last post on that thread.

This is the rescue I got back in February

OH MY!!!!! I just looked up eye color for goats, and found the Goat-Link.com website. Her membrane is white!

My 1st vet did fecal test and said minor infestation and the wormer I had already given was probably good. My 2nd vet tested less than one month later and said, minor infestation, and not enough to worry about. That was in early March. I got Mollys Herbals and also tried the Goat pellet wormer, she refused to eat. Again, I did the ivermectin at 240lb dose just this week, and a copper bolus, 2 pills, 1 day prior to that.

She is still eating, but today she does look a little off. I think it was just because I just woke her up when I went out there. She seemed tired and slow. I did notice the eyes many-many weeks ago, but didnt know the significance !!!!!!!!!

The vet that just came out about 3 weeks ago and I don't think ever looked at her eyes! I dont recall if the 1st vet looked at her eyes.

Can she be helped

[Govero Farms]

Yes she an be helped... It means she is anemic. So It is from barber pole worms aka HC. Its horrible parasite. You will need to give her vit b complex once a day it helps produce their iron and their energy. Then I would worm her again like 2 more times . I always wormed my goats 3 times every 10 days if they have bad case of barberpole or have white membrane. To be sure the parasite is out . My doe did have white membrane. She was acting weird too. Now she is fine and fat and sassy and the most healthy! It took 2 weeks for her to come out and get healthy!

[Pony]

What's that product horse owners use? Red Cell? She may benefit from that.

Good luck, keep us posted.

[Alice In TX/MO]

Ivomec may not be effective on those worms, as they may have become immune. Can you get Cydectin?

Ditto on the Red Cell supplement. Daily for a while.

What mineral are you providing?

[CheerfulMom4]

I had goats who had eyes like that once. I realized I had a worm problem when they started dying on me. That is when I started asking around and was told to look at their eyes, man was I shocked! I had been worming with Ivomec and thought I was doing the right thing. Cydectin is what helped my girls. Hope you can get it figured out.

[Cannon_Farms]

UGA has did some research that pyrentel potmate in large doses is safer to use on a bad case than cydectin, so far its holding up but you give 5xs the horse dose. At this point I would go ahead and give her a couple iron injections then continue with the redcell but keep in mind it can be toxic if given too much.
Cydectin is a wonderful product but in a sever case it can kill all the worms at once and kill the goat by bleed out or toxic shock, once past a light pink I do not find it worth the risk.
Good luck and get something in her quick, it doesnt take long for them to die off when they are that pale.

[Govero Farms]

I wouldnt use red cell at all. I even found out that iron injectable wont do any good for the goats. So Its best to use vit b complex.


Yes give cydectin.

[Alice In TX/MO]

Her body has to have iron to rebuild blood cells. That's the purpose of Red Cell.

[wmsff]

tractor supply is my usual store. It stinks. I'll see what I can get there. There is another place, I've not been yet, its another 20 miles out. I'll go there too.

I have had her free choice Manna Pro goat minerals. She does not seem to care for it.

Does the copper bolus get rid of those barber pole worms? I thought I read that somewhere.

I will pick up the Vit B, and I see the cydectin is a pour on - I assume it is like all the others and has no instructions/dosage for goats, please advise how much and how to administer. I'll also look for Red Cell.

Thanks everyone

[Pony]

Cydectin is oral for goats. I don't have the dosage chart anywhere I can access it (we're in a state of destruction), but someone here should be able to help with that. Or you may have to google it.

That stuff smells bad, but it is effective. At least it's a pretty shade of purple.

[wmsff]

I just found the dosage on Fias. I see Quest is the same. I know TSC has that.

[Alice In TX/MO]

Use the dosage levels here:
http://www.dairygoatinfo.com/index.php?topic=8934.0

Copper bolusing *helps* control worms, but it is NOT a full worm treatment. It just makes the digestive system a little less hospitable for the worms.

[wmsff]

I thought I read somewhere that I can add DE to their grain. Is this true?

[Alice In TX/MO]

Sure you can add it. Does it really work? No.

[Cannon_Farms]

Originally Posted by Govero Farms

I wouldnt use red cell at all. I even found out that iron injectable wont do any good for the goats. So Its best to use vit b complex.


Yes give cydectin.

My protest to use of cydectin on a goat that anemic has been noted due to the high risk, however I would like you to please explain how vitamin builds up the red blood cell count and iron or iron products do not..

[wmsff]

OK, since I've already done the ivermectin, should my next step be quest, at standard horse dose, or strongide (the pyrantel pamoate), and that at what dose? Cannon Farms is concerned that since her mebrane is already white, the quest may be too much for her, resulting in massive worm die off and shock/death for her as well. Should I try the strongide 1st, tomorrow, and in 10 days if her membranes look more pink, go with the quest?

[KimM]

Originally Posted by Govero Farms

I wouldnt use red cell at all. I even found out that iron injectable wont do any good for the goats. So Its best to use vit b complex.
Yes give cydectin.

This is also what my vet advised as well for an very old goat that I had here recooperating from severe parasites and anemia. 5 cc's Cydectin drench, one shot of iron SQ the first day, then 1cc Fortified B Complex 2 days later and then once a week for 3 weeks. I gave 2 cc of the FBC every other day for a week. That old girl is 15 now and still bounces.
Too much Red Cell or Iron can be very bad, B Complex helps the body absorb iron.

[Alice In TX/MO]

Read the info at the dairygoatinfo.com dewormer page for dosage.

I used Cydectin on an older doe of mine successfully when her eyelids were quite pale and the Ivomec didn't work.

I hesitate to *tell* you what to do because I am not a vet. I can only refer you to information and tell you what has worked for me.

[wmsff]

I understand everyone here who is giving their thoughts, are doing the best they know. Some of you may recall I lost her buddy early on. This goat and the other one who died were rescues from an Amish farm who simply stopped feeding them during the winter @! The little La Mancha had no chance, she was just 60lbs, and this Saanen (sable) was only 80 when I got her. She did gain weight for a while, then lost rapidly. I hope she lives, but I don't know if she will.

[garyh141]

Just found out that Red Cell has a 2-3 yr shelf life. My goats hate the taste. We usually have to drench them as top dressing grain wastes the grain.

Molly's Herbal wormer does not work as a "fix", it works as a preventative. Once they have the parasites, you need to use a chemical wormer.

Fortified Vit B Complex (in short supply right now due to manufacturers inability to produce) is what we use because the Thiamine is higher dosage than regular Vit B. They will use what they need, and the rest is wasted so you won't overdosage them. However, (and I'm not a vet), I give mine more often than "2 days later, then once a week for 3 weeks." We start the Fort Vit B Complex when we do the wormer. But I'm not a vet. I did not know that Vit B helped build the iron in the blood. That's good to know.

Sandra