Please Help! Somethings wrong!

Backfourty,MI. · #1 03/17/11, 09:17 AM

It's 1 of my bucks. Yesterday he was just fine, eating, peeing, laying in the sun, completely acting normal.

It's the same buck that had mites back in Febuary, But that's all clearing up.
He gets Goat Power Pellets with the A.C. in it, grass/alfafa hay & that's it unless I give them a treat like animal crackers, peice of apple, etc.
He's been peeing normal so I'm ruling out UC.
This morning he doesn't want to eat anything, he did drink some water with ACV in it.
I did give him a big glob of Probios paste this morning when I seen he wasn't eating his food or hay.

His temp a few minutes ago was 103.7
He's not laying down just standing. He will walk around but he's walking slow.
He's UTD on his CD & T shots & is a year old.

I wormed him with Ivermectin Plus Injectable on Feb. 28th & again March 9th because of the mites.

I do believe that maybe a couple of the boys may have been playing rough which they do sometimes but none are aggressive towards us or each other, but 1 is a mini nubian & this 1 is a Nigerian so the mini nubian is quite a bit bigger than my 2 nigerians bucks.

Would he act like this if he got busted up inside by 1 of the other boys?
I'm stumped since there are no other symptoms for infection, polio, UC, etc.
I Love these goats, all of them & I can tell when somethings wrong with one of them.
Of course I have to go to work in a little while but will be home about 3 this afternoon.

I hope I haven't forgot anything but of course my mind is racing as I'm trying to hurry!
Thanks everyone in advance!

Cannon_Farms · #2 03/17/11, 09:28 AM

Im taking for granted youve ruled out bloat, could you maybe give him a shot of banamine that way you could tell if it was just him being sore?
Do you have a stethoscope to listen to his inner workings? You could hear his chest rattle and rumen move and that would help.
Dont be afraid to poke around on him, it may be the only way you can find out, I wish I could explain how an internal bleed felt but I can not find the words.

Backfourty,MI. · #3 03/17/11, 10:03 AM

I don't have a stethascope but can I buy 1 at TSC? He does have a 2 sided black dish that has Right Now Onyx it & Also Baking soda 24/7.

I felt around on him to see if he would flinch or something if I hurt him but of course I didn't really press hard on ahything not wanting to hurt him. He never flinched.

Cannon_Farms · #4 03/17/11, 10:07 AM

No, we dont carry them but a drug store should. Did you or can you give him any banamine? that can be of great help in several situations, and if he started eating again then you would know he was in pain.

Backfourty,MI. · #5 03/17/11, 10:12 AM

I don't have any Banamine but the other girl that works at the resturaunt I do has horses so I'll call her when I get to work, I actually have to be there in 20 minutes.

I do have Bloat med's if I need to give him any but in 6 years of having goats have not had to use it, it may have even expired(not sure if it has a date on it). She may also have a stethascope & I'll ask other wise I'll run to town when I get out of work.

Cannon_Farms · #6 03/17/11, 10:13 AM

Horse folks normally have one, or should its hard to hear a horses gut without getting into trouble.
Ill be keeping and eye out for you to post again.

Minelson · #7 03/17/11, 10:18 AM

Oh Katie I'm sorry your buck is not feeling good...It's so frustrating when they just act "off".

I don't have the experience to give advise but I'm praying for you and your buck. (((hugs))))

thaiblue12 · #8 03/17/11, 10:33 AM

I had a doe do this in the Summer, it was I think the beginning of pneumonia. Which lots of people think happens just in the Winter.
First day off, not eating, no temp, next day temp and still off. So I gave her Biomycin, I also gave her Probios and made sure she drank water, by the 4th day she was getting back to normal. Keep checking his temp. If it goes up, anti-biotics, if it goes down well that is a different story, which we hope will not happen.
Also before you leave for work give him veg oil it works just as well as bloat meds, better if you just have the frothy bloat meds. Rub his stomach for a bit if you fear bloat. He burps, you are good bloat-wise.

Good Luck, it is awful to work when you are worrying about something happening at home.

yarrow · #9 03/17/11, 11:13 AM

my first thought was the beginning stage of pneumonia... most of my goats healthy temps sit between 101 & 102.. I would consider 103 a little bit of a fever (check temps on a pen mate to compare)
Our first actions when we have someone that is just sort of *off* not wanting to eat/little flat .. is to give what I call the THREE BIG B's.. Banamine/B12 (Bcomplex works just fine too) & Baking Soda.. 9 times out of 10, within a couple hours I'll see them pop up a cud and then be fine and back to normal by dinner..
with a temp of 103.. I'd add Nuflor for 5days (or whatever antibiotic you have. I like Nuflor when I suspect something respiratory maybe going on) The banamine will not only stop possible tummy pain, but it really cuts down on lung scaring that can occur during pneumonia.

hope he feel better soon. I know how stressful it is trying to figure out what's going on.

susie, mo ozarks

Cannon_Farms · #10 03/17/11, 11:27 AM

If the goat had not improved with banamine the pneumonia would have been the other thing I would have suggested

Alice In TX/MO · #11 03/17/11, 11:52 AM

Also, do not trust a prepared feed to have enough ammonium chloride in it to prevent urinary calculi. Add some.

Backfourty,MI. · #12 03/17/11, 03:39 PM

Just got home from work, haven't checked on Booker yet but heading down now. I have a stethascope & Banamine. How much Banamine for a goat about 75 pounds? I was thinking 1cc? The gal I got the Banamine from said they give their horses about 10cc.
Also will check his temp again & the other bucks to see what they are running.

He's not showing any symptoms of UC Alice, no straining, etc. & has been peeing good. Since having a buck with UC 3 years ago I'm always watching daily to make sure my boys pee, it's kinda subconcious.

Alice In TX/MO · #13 03/17/11, 03:48 PM

I'm glad he's peeing. What weird things we have to watch for with goats!

Backfourty,MI. · #14 03/17/11, 03:50 PM

Is 1cc of Banamine enough?

Cannon_Farms · #15 03/17/11, 03:58 PM

my generic banamine says 1cc per 100 so Id say that it should do if for him, once every 24 hours as needed

Fowler · #16 03/17/11, 04:10 PM

I'm guessing that calling a vet is out of the question?

Minelson · #17 03/17/11, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Fowler

I'm guessing that calling a vet is out of the question?

You are a lucky one if you have a vet that knows anything about goats in your area. I come here first with any health issues with my goats. And I work at a vet clinic. And any questions about goats that come into our clinic (very rare) get directed to me. Now if it was emergency injury, then I would contact my vet. But any follow up treatment...I would be here. The experience shared on this forum is priceless...

Backfourty,MI. · #18 03/17/11, 05:12 PM

My husband is the kind of guy who thinks I should just fix what ever is wrong, he doesn't want me to take the goats to the vet although I have a few times anyways & I just listen to him later.

The vet I have now I really like for my dogs, he see's alot of cattle & horses. Don't think he see's too many goats usually other than mine. He has been a vet for 40 years but I still don't agree with him on some things when it comes to my goats.

We are actually going to a vet's office tonight for an open house, there are 4 vets in the office & I believe one of them owns goats. I have been thinking of changing vets for awhile so I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

I did take Booker's temp again, it's 103.4 this afternoon, the other 2 bucks are 102.6 & 102.4 so I guess the buck in questions is alittle high.

I listened with the stethascope, his lungs sound clear, I did hear gut sounds & his heart sounds good. I listened to the other 2 boys too just to compare.
Booker ate a tiny bit of his food & a little hay. He will get up & nibble on my shirt.

I don't have nuflor but I have LA200 & Pen G(the kind sold at TSC) should I start him on 1 of those & if so how much & how often?

Oh I gave him the Banamine, probios paste & a ball of baking soda although I don't think he's bloated I didn't think it's hurt.

yarrow · #19 03/17/11, 05:30 PM

I would go ahead and start on the LA200.. (how big of a buck is he? my guys are full sized nubians.. I'd probably start with a *load dose* of 10cc's , then drop down to 5 or 6 cc's per day for at least 5 days.. maybe a full week. (someone who uses more Oxytetracycline then we do might have a better dose/# of days) but 10cc's won't hurt him..unless he's a wee guy? (under 100lbs ? then maybe only give him 8cc's to start with, dropping down to 5, but it's hard to OD LA200) ---((((OKAY.. just re-read.. saw that he's a ND. I'd still start with 6 -8 cc's today and then down to 4 -5cc's for remaining days))))
... the baking soda & probios are fine too. Keep giving baking soda until he starts eating.. You need to also get some B vit into him (if he's not eating, he will may need thiamine (B1) to keep his rumen in good shape.. I usually give B12 first, it stimulates their appetite. I give a full 3cc syringe worth of B12. Between the banamine & getting him started on some antibiotics, he should turn around pretty quick...

susie, mo ozarks

nehimama · #20 03/17/11, 05:58 PM

I hope he comes around for you. I thought pneumonia, too, but don't have enough experience to expound on that idea.