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03/15/11, 11:15 PM
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Coloration Question
Okay, this is for those of you who have been in this goat breeding business longer than I have (which isn't long..LOL).
In December of last year, I purchased a chocolate colored buckling with white markings. Today, as I was putting him in his new pen, I noticed the hair was MUCH lighter underneath. To explain what I am seeing, I am going to go to horses.
Many greys are born brown or buckskin colored and turn grey as they age. Do goats do this? Going to be highly disappointed if my herd sire is grey and not chocolate.
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03/16/11, 07:47 AM
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He needs copper. Most of us give copper boluses on a regular basis.
http://u-sayranch.com/main/2010/01/r...opasure-bolus/
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03/16/11, 10:39 AM
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Yes, copper defeciency causes color bleaching - sometimes SEVERE. It also causes other issues with breeding and utelization of other minerals/nutrients, and can cause a plethora of secondhand issues.
I give copper boluses every 4 months, or 3x per year. I also BoSe at this time.
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03/16/11, 10:42 AM
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Not sure what breed you have? As Alice pointed out, it's more then likely a need for copper..it's almost always nutritional ...however, sometimes in kids color changes just occur as they mature, like seen in some of the spotted nubians. Nubians will often be born with dark chocolate spots... those spots will lighten (depending on the shade of the spot) to light silver or cream.. called Moon Spots
example...
one of our new jr. herd sires(his dark spots are already white/silver at the roots)
he will end up colored much like this doe
susie, mo ozarks
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Last edited by yarrow; 03/16/11 at 11:02 AM.
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03/16/11, 10:49 AM
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Thats what I think is happening. With a copper deficiency, doesn't the color bleaching usually start on the tips?
ETA: I was trying to get some boluses from a member here, but haven't heard back...to the PM room I go..LOL
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03/16/11, 11:23 AM
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No, the color bleaching starts at the roots with copper deficiency. Hair, once grown, only bleaches from the sun or other outside sources. If it is faded from copper deficiency, the color change starts at the roots.
There is a really good picure in this article, that shows a VERY copper deficient Toggenburg buck.
http://www.saanendoah.com/copper1.html
He's practically white on his body - and as you may know toggenburgs normally look like this:
Once supplemented, the traditional dusty-grey color of toggs began to grow back in at the roots. It's really a huge difference!
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03/16/11, 08:23 PM
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Anyone know a good place to get boluses?
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03/16/11, 08:32 PM
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Our feed store has them, but you can get them from Jeffers Livestock.
http://www.jefferslivestock.com/copa...6535/cn/31102/
READ THE INSTRUCTIONS at the links referenced in posts above. You do not normally give a goat the whole bolus.
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03/16/11, 08:33 PM
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I didn't know that the moon spotted goats changed over time. That is so cool.
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03/16/11, 08:40 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alice In TX/MO
I didn't know that the moon spotted goats changed over time. That is so cool.
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It's fun to watch them change over.. they go from *dark-of-the-moon spots to bright, light full moon spots.. The little buckling already has very light silver under his chocolate spots..
susie, mo ozarks
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03/16/11, 09:56 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by yarrow
Not sure what breed you have? As Alice pointed out, it's more then likely a need for copper..it's almost always nutritional ...however, sometimes in kids color changes just occur as they mature, like seen in some of the spotted nubians. Nubians will often be born with dark chocolate spots... those spots will lighten (depending on the shade of the spot) to light silver or cream.. called Moon Spots
example...
one of our new jr. herd sires(his dark spots are already white/silver at the roots)
he will end up colored much like this doe
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I love your spotted girl here!! she is gorgeous! I would love to have a doe this color!
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03/16/11, 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by powell7311
I love your spotted girl here!! she is gorgeous! I would love to have a doe this color!
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She is lovely isn't she.. (she isn't mine, she belongs to the buckling's breeding .. they are related.. I use a picture of her because they both share the mix of silver spots & white spots) I get quite a few of the red moonspotted kids each year (and hope to get a whole LOT MORE!!! LOL, this next kidding season!)
susie, mo ozarks
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