I feel like crud.

[Lauri]

Well I am still feeling like crud, but.........


In some regards the doeling seems to be doing better. In others, I am not sure.

Sure would like and appreciate your input/advise
Thank you

GOOD THINGS

1. she is standing on her own, and walking. Along the lines of a day old kid. A little wobbly, stumbles a bit, sometime catches her self, some times not. Getting up on her own, when she does fall. This is an improvement over Mon & Tues.

2. She is grinding her teeth a lot less. Only after tube feeding, I think this is now a result of stress, as she is REALLY getting to the point of not liking that procedure.

3. I dont know about tetnus, I thought it was a case of limbs and jaw "locking" up. If this is correct, I don't think she has, (or had) a case of tetnus. As these signs are not appearing.

4. She no longer has the droopy right eye.

5. She is wiggling her tail a lot more than she was.

6. Not as zoned out, curious about things when she is walking about.



The NOT AS GOOD THINGS.

1. She has not accepted the bottle again. (she was really good about it before) I offer the nipple, squirt a little in her mouth, she gums and slirps, but doesn't latch on. Is resistant to it.

2. has not been vocal. only crying occurs during tubing. Before, she was quite the little chatterer.

3..............call me crazy.......but, maybe she has gone blind.
When walking around, she keeps walking into things. My DH feels that her eyes have not adjusted to the light (vet suggested, because of tetnus, to keep her in the dark) Yesterday, I flicked my finger in front of her eyes, and she doesn't blink.

Would appreciate hereing what you folks have to say.

Thanks, again.


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My week old doeling was disbudded on Sunday. The rest of the day she appeared fine.

Monday morning something was very wrong. I thought she was choking. The vet felt she was suffering from tetnus. Or possibly brain damage from the disbudding.

The vet gave her a tetnus shot, an antibiotic and a sedative.
But made me no promises. I understand that.

She would not stand at all on Monday. Right eye, partially closed, droopy. Head turned to the right.

Today she is standing on her own, though gingerly, after I put her in a standing position. While trying to take a step, she falls. She wiggled her tail a bit. Her right eye looks a little less droopy. On and off she is still grinding her teeth . I gave her some banamine, mixed with her milk, in her last feeding, in hopes that it would help some with the pain.

I have been tube feeding her. Substantially less, than before she became ill.
She was at 36 oz. Sunday. Monday 120z. 12 oz so far today, but I hope to get 2 more 6oz feeding in her before the end of the day.


She is such a sweet thing, I feel like crud, for doing this to her.

Do you have any suggestions as to things I should be doing or watching for?

[Alice In TX/MO]

Sounds like you are doing the right things.

Why was she being tube fed before disbudding?

[Lauri]

Alice, Thanks for the reply.

She was being bottle fed prior to her becoming ill.

[Alice In TX/MO]

Oh, ok. I misunderstood.

Sounds like she is coming back. Sometimes things just go wrong, even when we do things right.

Huggs,
Alice

[mygoat]

I'm so sorry this happened. I've been reasearching like crazy, haven't come up with anything worth sharing. I'd definetely keep dosing with Banamine, as it will reduce inflamation and that is likely the problem right now.

[CaliannG]

~hugs~ Sorry your doeling is so messed up.

Banamine for pain and inflammation, and I'd continue with antibiotic to fight off any secondary infections. Basically, up EVERYTHING, food, vitamins, etc., so that this is the *only* thing her little system has to deal with.

So sorry.

[Minelson]

I'm sorry things went wrong for your little girl I hope she is better tonight.

[FunnyRiverFarm]

I have heard of this happening before and my guess is that it probably does have to do with the disbudding. The case I encountered before was a couple of pygmy babies that were disbudded with an iron that was too large and most likely applied for too long...in their case it was much more severe; obvious brain swelling because their eyes were bulging and pretty severe motor control issues. They recovered as far as I know.

[Lauri]

updated

[mygoat]

Check your email... I sent you contact information for a friend of mine in the area, who does lots of herbal/homeopathic remedies because I thought you might like to talk to her, too.

[mygoat]

The lack of external swelling at the disbudding site - and no eye bulging to indicate brain swelling has me stumped... I would expect both of those things with an overburned kid having encepalitis.

I'm wondering - and I'm looking for input from others - if the stress from the disbudding could cause stress that would cause polio hence the blindness and encephalitis? I know it's nutritional upset that causes Polio, though. I don't think it could hurt to give Thiamine.

Or would encepalitis itself cause blindness? Google searches of encephalitis in goats gives me nothing but articles on CAE. By my reasoning, the encephalitis It would have to either cause damage to the occipital lobe (where vision is processed) or damage the optic nerve OR 'pinch' it causing temporary blindness... Both are too deep/weird of areas for direct damage during disbudding, so would have to be secondary from encephalitis.

[CaliannG]

Damage to the brain, i.e. like over-heating CAN cause damage by harming the synaptic net that goes TO the occipital lobe.

Not a lot of research has been done on goats, specifically, for this, but a ton of research has been done on other mammals, including humans, that corroborates damage from heat and/or trauma can cause blindness even though the occipital lobe itself was not harmed.

~smiles~ We are far from knowing everything about the brain.

Lauri, I hope your little goat is doing much better today? I look forward to hearing that she has recovered fully.