Girls are home!

Willowynd · #1 02/19/11, 11:09 PM

The nubian girls were bred about 3.5 weeks ago (don't have date right in front of me) and came home today (they wanted to make sure they took). They were bred to a registered buck. I read an old publication that said the babies could be registered if the buck was registered...is this still true? If so, wht do I do to accomplish that? They gave me a service record.

Also, anything special I should do for the next 4 months?

thaiblue12 · #2 02/19/11, 11:23 PM

Registration depends, are your girls purebred? Can they be registered? NOA?

What do you do for the next four months, that's easy, let them drive you insane, lol. Really that is only in the last couple of weeks before they are due

Feed them well, do not over feed, make sure they get their minerals, give them 2 cc's of CD&T a month before they are due to kid.

SilverFlame819 · #3 02/20/11, 12:02 AM

Checklist for the next 4 months...

Digital camera
Lots of batteries

Oh yeah, and whatever is mentioned in that kidding box thread...

I believe you can get the does registered as NOA (Native on Appearance, meaning they appear to be purebred but you have no proof)... Then when they kid, you can get the kids registered as 50% American or 50% Purebred, depending on the buck's status. You cannot register the kids until the does are registered in your name though, so the next 4 months may be when you want to get your girls all squared away. If you plan to raise a bunch, you may want to register your herd name with the ADGA first, then when that comes through, register your does with the herd name.

More info here...

http://www.adga.org/index.php?option...ats&Itemid=131

dosthouhavemilk · #4 02/20/11, 02:44 PM

The doelings born to the registered buck and your grade does can be recorded as 50% Nubian with ADGA. The dams do not have to be recorded/registered as long as they are of standard dairy breeding only. The doelings have to meet the breed standard to be recorded as 50% American Nubian (their descendants will not make it into the Purebred herdbook unless it is opened in the future) . If they don't they end up in the Grade Experimental Book.
When the time comes you fill in the Application as normal but list unknown/unregistered in the dams spot on the papers. The breeding memo will have to be sent in with the first kid recorded out of a litter. It will go on record so others from the litter can be recorded later.
The benefits of NOAing or NOPing is for Linear Appraisal, Milk Records, Showing and having the name on the pedigree.

Willowynd · #5 02/20/11, 06:04 PM

OK, looking at this application for the girls. It asks about tatoos, but they have ear tags and I don't see anything for that...not important?

Also where it says breeder/owner of dam at time of service...I put thier owner when they were born I take it?

Willowynd · #6 02/20/11, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by dosthouhavemilk

The doelings born to the registered buck and your grade does can be recorded as 50% Nubian with ADGA. The dams do not have to be recorded/registered as long as they are of standard dairy breeding only. The doelings have to meet the breed standard to be recorded as 50% American Nubian (their descendants will not make it into the Purebred herdbook unless it is opened in the future) . If they don't they end up in the Grade Experimental Book.
When the time comes you fill in the Application as normal but list unknown/unregistered in the dams spot on the papers. The breeding memo will have to be sent in with the first kid recorded out of a litter. It will go on record so others from the litter can be recorded later.
The benefits of NOAing or NOPing is for Linear Appraisal, Milk Records, Showing and having the name on the pedigree.

Oh so I don't record my girls? Just the babies?

dosthouhavemilk · #7 02/20/11, 06:24 PM

You do not *have to* record the mothers.
If you see yourself showing, doing Linear Appraisal or milk test, then there is a benefit to having the does being NOA (Native on Appearance). Or if you want their name to be listed as the dam.
If the dam is not registered/recorded it will show up as "Unknown/Unregistered" in place of the dam's name (along with the rest of the dam's side) on the doelings recordation papers.
It simplifies things in this case if you do not since you bought them bred.
As far as tattoos go, goats registered with ADGA must have a tattoo in each ear (or on the tail). The right ear is the herd tattoo for where the kid was born and the left ear is the identifying tattoo from the herd in which the kid was born (usually a sequence with a letter and numbers to identify kid birth order). So when your does kid, in order to record the doelings you will need a herd tattoo for the right ear and to decide on a sequence for the left ear. The suggestion is to use the letter assigned each year (2011 is "B") and then a number to designate birthorder. For example if you go here
http://www.freewebs.com/morningmisth...ddingchart.htm
then scroll down to Shelby and Sheila (6 and 7 up from the Youthful Yearlings chart). When I go to record their doelings. B3 will be recorded as 50% Nubian. B4 will be left unrecorded (elf ears). B6 will be left unrecorded (and castrated) and B7 will be recorded as 75% Nubian. Shelby and Sheila are two out of a set of triplets. They are 3/4 Nubian, 1/4 LaMancha/Alpine sired by a purebred registered Nubian buck. Shelby is elf eared, so not recorded. Her sister, Sheila has proper Nubian ears and will be recorded. Thus the difference in their two daughters, despite the doelings being sired by the same registered buck.
I would suggest joining ADGA and choosing a herdname (think carefully on that one) and get a herd tattoo before you start recording kids.
With your herdname remember that ADGA only allots 30 spaces for the full name, so if your herdname is 15 letters and spaces long taht only elaves you 15 for everything else.

Willowynd · #8 02/20/11, 07:51 PM

OK, I would like for these girls to be listed as dams- will make record keeping and recalling which baby was from whom much easier since they are sisters and were bred at the same time. I do have a tattoo kit...so should I tattoo the girls since I want them recorded- or is that only for "registered" goats?
I guess I have a mentality that they should be registered as all my dogs are. I wish I had gotten pedigrees with the girls as well, maybe I should contact the breeder and ask her about that? The thing that is throwing me is recorded vs registered. With dogs either they are registered or not. Does recorded mean that it is now the start of a pedigree?

dosthouhavemilk · #9 02/20/11, 08:07 PM

Recorded means there is information in the history missing. Registered refers to American and Purebred goats with a record of history for three or more generations.

Before you tattoo the does you probably ought to join the ADGA and get yourself a herd tattoo and figure out a herd sequence for your herd.
In order to record them as Native on Appearance you need an ADGA member to sign a piece of paper stating that they conform to the breed standard you are NOAing them as.

If there is a chance for paperwork on the does from their prior owner it is definitely worth contacting them. Have you checked their ears for tattoos?

Willowynd · #10 02/20/11, 08:46 PM

I have not checked for tats...just saw the tags (they were raised for 4H). I will check thier ears for tats tommorrow.