Antitoxin or CD/T...

[deafgoatlady]

I really need your help. I am trying to help someone.. I have hard time with this because I never use it.

She is going to disbud the babies. Should she use antitoxin OR toxoid?? I dont know which ones.. I know that Antitoxin is NOT vaccinate. Toxoid is vaccinate. Antitoxin is for treating.. Thanks for you input..

[Alice In TX/MO]

I don't use it for disbudding. Disbudding is done on new kids, less than a week old. You don't vaccinate new borns.

[deafgoatlady]

That is what I thought. Becuz the lady said I am going to use it for disbudding. I thought it was odd. Becuz I have never use anything like that.

[deafgoatlady]

I just remembered that her babies are born like the end of Jan. So it is newborn. So I should tell her not to use those.

[Laverne]

Toxoid won't give immediate protection. Anti toxin will but has a higher anaphylactic shock risk so ephinephirin should be on hand. Many just rely on the does immunity passed to the kid in the colostrum.

[Alice In TX/MO]

Yes, tell her not to use it, as it's a waste of money.

Also, she has almost waited too long to disbud.

[deafgoatlady]

Thank you. I am glad that I had a gut that it is not appropriate.. Thanks..


Okay I will tell her about antitoxin and make sure about epinephrine.

[nehimama]

I wonder if she means TETANUS Antitoxin? I give my babies 1/4 to 1/2cc on disbudding day.

[Laverne]

I wouldn't give anything either. I do shave the head and cleanse with alcohol to clean away any particles around the burn and that could be entrapped in the hair.

I presume we're talking about Tetanus since it's at the time of disbudding.

[Pony]

My vet does the antitoxin when he disbuds. Never considered the possibility of anaphylaxis... <shrug> It's not a matter of expense, as he only charges $3 each.

[mygoat]

I also don't use anything. Disbudding wounds are about the least likely to get infected by tetanus bacterium. C. tetani are obligate anaerobes, meaning they CANNOT live exposed to oxygen. Therefore, puncture wounds are the main source of tetanus. Not only are disbudding wounds NOT puncture wounds and anaerobic, but they are also cauterized.

[deafgoatlady]

nehimama,
That is very good question.. I will ask her again! I was going in circles. LOL.. Thanks..

[Laverne]

Well said Mygoat!

[deafgoatlady]

I never use anything while disbudding. That is why I wasnt sure about this. Now I know. Thanks..

[nigeriandwarfs]

My goat mentor did sent me this
you will also need 1cc of tetanus ANTI-TOXIN, and a 3cc syringe and needle (approximately a 22 gauge, 3/4 or 1/2 inch) PER KID, and blood stop powder. (There is often some blood.)

DO NOT USE tetanus TOXOID for disbudding and banding protection.

He was also sure to tell me about the risk of allergic reaction to the shot but he felt the benifits outweighed the risk... dosage for mini's

[mygoat]

If bleeding starts, I generally see that is having moved the iron at an inoportune moment, causing breakage of the cauterized skin OR inadequate burn time. I always reapply the iron for a few seconds to re-cauterize or complete the burn.

My vet refuses to sell me epinephrine so I would rather NOT give injections, especially those prone to causing shock.

[Laverne]

Disbudding is cauterizing the blood vessels to the horn bud. Cauterizing seals off the blood vessels. There should be no bleeding after this is properly done. Especially enough for blood stop powder. I can't remember any blood after disbudding with the hot iron. Six seconds on each side doing this twice to three times. It would be interesting to start a thread on this.

[nigeriandwarfs]

yeah there was no bleeding when he did it he just said he likes to have it on hand...worse case senerio type,