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Old 01/30/11, 06:02 PM
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Meningeal Worm - Itching and meds question

I think I have another case of Meningeal Worm. Had a case exactly one year ago - at least I'm pretty sure that's what it was... With that doe I treated the scratching and sores she caused by scratching as a lice or mite problem. But I knew something else was wrong when I went out one morning and her spine was crooked. So I guess the larvae made it to the spine at that point.

So with this wether, I want to act fast and I have a few questions.

1) Anyone and everyone - please tell me your meds and dosages for treating Meningeal Worm

2) If the larvae doesn't appear to have made it to the spine yet - ie: no signs of dragging feet, lameness, or neurological issues - is an anti-inflammatory and/or steroid necessary?

3) Is there something else I can give to make this boy stop chewing holes into his sides - Benedryl - Topical or Liquid? Hydrocortisone?

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Old 01/30/11, 09:38 PM
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From Dairy Goat Info

"Menengial Worm.

http://www.sheepandgoat.com/articles/deerworm.html


Is she dragging her toes in the rear on either leg when she walks? That was the first symptom both times I had menengial worm. The doe, and the buck here, were just off, I honestly thought they were foundering, but not heat in the feet. It was morelike thier hip joints hurt, like a breeding injury. About a week later they went down.

I would use Ivermectin Plus, a big oral or subq dose, use the banamine at 1cc per100 pounds no more than 6 days and use Dex., 1cc per 100 pounds day 1 thru 3, 1/2 per 100 pounds days 4 through 6. I would much rather treat a guess since you have white tail deer not only on your farm like me, but in your hay/grass, than have her go down and then you have to not only treatbut prevent pnemonia and cocci with our wonderful weather right now!

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I hope this helps you some. I have never had MW here so I don't have personal experience with it.

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Is she dragging her toes in the rear on either leg when she walks? That was the first symptom both times I had menengial worm.
No - no neurological symptoms at all - but I think that's because I caught it soon and that the larvae haven't got to the spine yet.- my assumption. My first doe had a curved spine


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I would use Ivermectin Plus, a big oral or subq dose,
How much is a "big oral or SQ dose"? That's the question, really


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I hope this helps you some. I have never had MW here so I don't have personal experience with it.
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Old 01/30/11, 09:58 PM
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Hmmm, its doesn't say does it, not even in the link. Strange. I guess not to helpful then. Is there a vet you could call and ask?

Maybe someone with experience with it will weigh in soon.

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Old 01/30/11, 10:33 PM
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I do google well, but I have not had deer worm in our goats.

One website said 3.5 cc per adult goat, three days in a row.

One said 3 times the cattle dose for three days in a row.

Also found 1 cc / 15 pounds three days in a row, then Safeguard on the fourth, fifth, and sixth days.

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Thank you. I thought I was a good googler You found more than me.

do you have links to those sites?

Here's my link to some pics:
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/sred...igE&feat=email
notice how it's almost forming a line?

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Great goats! I found those last night, then slept, and I'm on a different computer.

I'll try to find the links later today.

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When I suspected Minengeal worms, I gave my goat Ivermectin "Plus" (3cc/100 lbs) injected; waited a week and did it again. My thoughts were that this would take care of whatever was "embedded". After another week I gave this goat an "oral" dose of Cydectin. I never had the goat tested; but this cleared up whatever was going on.

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When I suspected Minengeal worms, I gave my goat Ivermectin "Plus" (3cc/100 lbs) injected; waited a week and did it again. My thoughts were that this would take care of whatever was "embedded". After another week I gave this goat an "oral" dose of Cydectin. I never had the goat tested; but this cleared up whatever was going on.
Thank you so much.

Not sure what you mean by "embedded"...?

Was you goat scratching to the point of creating bleeding sores?
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This is how I treated mine she was down in the rear and bred.I did not give the Dex and she was too close to kidding and went on to kid just fine.
http://www.tennesseemeatgoats.com/ar...ngealworm.html

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This is how I treated mine she was down in the rear and bred.I did not give the Dex and she was too close to kidding and went on to kid just fine.
http://www.tennesseemeatgoats.com/ar...ngealworm.html
Thank you

WOW - that's a lot of Ivermectin. I know this page was revised. Same time last year the dosage here was for double the weight and half the dosage days ...Arghhhhhh
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Yes it is but It worked and we got the worm before he made it any further up the spine .She still walks with the John Wayne walk.I do not breed her anymore. Each year is different but she would get to where she couldnt stand for a few days after kidding. One year I had to sling her for a week after.Thats when I decided No more.As long as she can get around with the herd she will live out her old age here.She would not make it in another herd.She gets knocked off her balance too easy.Still tries to be Queen though.

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Yes it is but It worked and we got the worm before he made it any further up the spine .She still walks with the John Wayne walk.I do not breed her anymore. Each year is different but she would get to where she couldnt stand for a few days after kidding. One year I had to sling her for a week after.Thats when I decided No more.As long as she can get around with the herd she will live out her old age here.She would not make it in another herd.She gets knocked off her balance too easy.Still tries to be Queen though.
Ha! Sounds like all of mine - they'd never make it anywhere else with their issues.

I've read anywhere from one, single 5cc shot to 3 shots in a row, to three shots every other day, to this post - 8ccs for at least seven days, followed by a double-the-cattle dosage of fenbendazole (Safeguard/ Panacur) for five days. ...I don't know - seems like if you hit the worm hard one time, that would do it.

I've done 5 cc, 2 days in a row (195 lb goat) and I'm hoping that's all I need to do. Maybe one more day...

He shows no signs except for scratching holes in himself.
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This is why I sent this to you .The least it says is 7 days then you switch wormers for a remaining 5 days.The fenabenzdole is a gentle wormer not as strong.You have to almost overdose the wormer to cross the blood brain barrier.

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Okay - silly question. If that's the case and the larvae has not gotten into the spinal area - is all this necessary?

(I'm sure you can tell what answer I'm hoping for...)

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If he's wobbly, or curving his back, it's in his spine.

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To me I would be safer then sorry,IMO

This is taken from Jack mauldens site.
http://www.jackmauldin.com/meningeal_worm.htm


Treatment
Treatment regimes usually involve high, repetitive doses of anthelmintics, along with steroids, and other supportive therapies. Many different anthelmintics (levamisol, ivermectin, albendazole, fenbendazole, thiabendazole) have been used to treat meningeal worm infection. It is believed that some anthelmintics can kill the larvae before it enters the central nervous system, while others may be able to cross the blood-brain barrier and kill the larvae regardless of its location in the body. However, it is important to note that no controlled studies have confirmed or refuted the efficacy of different treatment regimes. Nor does treatment repair damaged nervous tissue. Producers who suspect meningeal worm should contact their veterinarian for treament recommendations.

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Highly unlikely a goat will recover after it gets to the spine. . .

You want to give Thiamine and Banamine, too.

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