ADGA registration question.

[DownHome]

I just sold a bred doe to a lady. When she registers the kids won't she need a bunch of information from me? Do I have to send her the registration paper after the doe kids or can she fill it our herself? Won't the kids have our farm name? and our number tattooed in its ear?


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[Alice In TX/MO]

You should have given her:

1. The doe's papers, signed over to her.

2. A buck service memo.

That's it!

[Heritagefarm]

If the kids are born at their place, it's their herd name.

[DownHome]

Oh good, I'm glad they will have their name, less work for me. I guess I better get a hold of her so I can get a buck service memo sent. Thanks all for the help.

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[Natural Beauty Farm]

Originally Posted by Heritagefarm

If the kids are born at their place, it's their herd name.

It is actually the breeders name. Bred does I bought have the breeders herd name and then whatever I wanted to name them as long as the breeder had not used it already.

Some have both herd names like, when the Goldthwaite herd sold a doe to Saada the kids were named

Goldthwaite Saada .............

[yarrow]

It would be YOUR herd name that starts the kid's name..(since you were her owner at the time of breeding) they can follow your herd name with their own if there is room... BUT.. they will use their herd tattoo/sequence on the babies born on their farm.

susie

[Heritagefarm]

Originally Posted by Natural Beauty Farm

It is actually the breeders name. Bred does I bought have the breeders herd name and then whatever I wanted to name them as long as the breeder had not used it already.

Some have both herd names like, when the Goldthwaite herd sold a doe to Saada the kids were named

Goldthwaite Saada .............

Well, I haven't had much experience, but in my experience if the kids are born at your place they're yours.

[dosthouhavemilk]

Originally Posted by Heritagefarm

Well, I haven't had much experience, but in my experience if the kids are born at your place they're yours.

The kids belong to the person who owns the dam at kidding, but they are named using the herd name of the breeder. This is how the breeder is given credit for their choice in who the doe is bred to. The breeder made the mating decision, so the kids bear their herdname. An exception to this is lease situations where the doe is leased by a secondary party. The person leasing the doe (with a Lease form filed with ADGA) can name the resulting kids with their herdname. They are considered a temporary owner of the doe in question and the "owner" at the time of breeding.
The kid(s) will have the new owners tattoo sequence since they were born at their farm.
I have found this is not the always the case with the Boer registries though.

[copperpennykids]

Originally Posted by yarrow

It would be YOUR herd name that starts the kid's name..(since you were her owner at the time of breeding) they can follow your herd name with their own if there is room... BUT.. they will use their herd tattoo/sequence on the babies born on their farm.

susie

This is correct for ADGA.

You should have given her:

1. The doe's papers, signed over to her.

2. A buck service memo.

That's it!

And this is correct. The rest is up to the new owner.

[julieq]

Originally Posted by Alice In TX/MO

You should have given her:

1. The doe's papers, signed over to her.

2. A buck service memo.

That's it!

Yep!

[Heritagefarm]

Originally Posted by dosthouhavemilk

The kids belong to the person who owns the dam at kidding, but they are named using the herd name of the breeder. This is how the breeder is given credit for their choice in who the doe is bred to. The breeder made the mating decision, so the kids bear their herdname. An exception to this is lease situations where the doe is leased by a secondary party. The person leasing the doe (with a Lease form filed with ADGA) can name the resulting kids with their herdname. They are considered a temporary owner of the doe in question and the "owner" at the time of breeding.
The kid(s) will have the new owners tattoo sequence since they were born at their farm.
I have found this is not the always the case with the Boer registries though.

How can they have the owners tattoo but the breeders name?

[KimM]

Originally Posted by Heritagefarm

How can they have the owners tattoo but the breeders name?

It's their rules.
Per ADGA website - http://www.homesteadingtoday.com/new...eply&p=4868624

"If you purchased a bred doe and are applying for her kid's registration or recordation, the first part of the name must be the herd name of the owner of the dam the day she was bred (in most cases, the person from whom you bought her)."

"Each goat registered with ADGA must be tattooed for identification. You must use your assigned herd-identifying tattoo letters on any animal born in your herd. ..."

[dosthouhavemilk]

Originally Posted by Heritagefarm

How can they have the owners tattoo but the breeders name?

As Kim pointed out.
The reasoning though is so there are no two animals with the same herd tattoo and the same individual goat tattoo.
We'll go ahead and use my herd as an example.
A couple year's back I sold around three or four bred does. We had over 100 kids of our own born the year those three or four would have delivered kids. I know what three of them delivered (but not when...I found out after all three were kidded out), but not what the fourth did. Sure, I had due dates on the does but we had other does due the same time. So if they were supposed to use my herd tattoo in the kids ears and I have no idea what number they are using (and they have no way of knowing what number I would be to at that point) that increases the likelihood that they assign a number I have already used to their kid. Thus creating a second kid with the same herd prefix and the same individual tattoo. Which is not allowed. Each goat registered with ADGA has to have a unique identification in their ears.
So to keep this from happening, all kids born on one farm are given that farm's herd tattoo. That designates where the kid was born. The herd name designates who bred the doe and buck together, who the actual breeder of the resulting animal was. So the kids born to the does I sold (assuming the new owners wanted to) have to bear Morn*Mist as their herdname but would be tattooed with the new herds information.
Does that make sense?

[Heritagefarm]

Yes, that makes sense. Thanks!