Emergency!!

luv2farm · #1 01/04/11, 05:18 PM

Have a 4 year old nubian doe, approx 3 months breed, eating well, drinking well, but cant stand....very weak.

Wormed right before breeding with synanthic 8 cc

was fine yesterday morning, out with all the rest.

this evening I found her in the shed alone. Eyes look alert, but a little sunken in, and a little matty. She seemed very thirsty. gave her warm water with molasses and 3 vit E capsules squirted in. Drank eagerly. Is eating hay right now. Poo is still firm berries. no scours

first thought that she may have lost baby......cant find no signs of early birth

any ideas??????

Alice In TX/MO · #2 01/04/11, 05:36 PM

I'm not familiar with that exact dewormer, but the name of the chemical is similar to what is in Safeguard, which is ineffective for the blood sucking stomach worms called Barberpole worms.

Did you do a fecal check for worms after using that dewormer?

Have you checked the color of the *inside* of her eyelids for anemia? If pale, she has a bad worm load.

luv2farm · #3 01/04/11, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alice In TX/MO

I'm not familiar with that exact dewormer, but the name of the chemical is similar to what is in Safeguard, which is ineffective for the blood sucking stomach worms called Barberpole worms.

Did you do a fecal check for worms after using that dewormer?

Have you checked the color of the *inside* of her eyelids for anemia? If pale, she has a bad worm load.

Inside of eyes are bright pink......look good

Alice In TX/MO · #4 01/04/11, 06:10 PM

Then, I'm thinking that the next issue would be meningeal worm.

Look at this website.... scroll down for treatment.

http://dairygoatinfo.com/index.php?topic=8934.0

Pony · #5 01/04/11, 06:29 PM

No advice, but praying for you and your gal.

luv2farm · #6 01/04/11, 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alice In TX/MO

Then, I'm thinking that the next issue would be meningeal worm.

Look at this website.... scroll down for treatment.

http://dairygoatinfo.com/index.php?topic=8934.0

Just returned from barn. tried to stand her up. She seems very alert....just cant stand.

She is "folding" her left front hoof under her. If she would attepmt to walk, I'm sure it would be dragging.

read the above site info. What is odds for recovery? Are the others at risk?

Alice In TX/MO · #7 01/04/11, 07:20 PM

Meningeal worm is (like other worms) ingested in larval form. It is more prevalent in areas with deer. Your other goats won't catch it from her, but they could get it the same way she did.... grazing. IF that's what she has. I'm not sure, but that is what I was thinking. The weird thing is her problem is a front leg. That sounds more like an injury really.

http://www.tennesseemeatgoats.com/ar...ngealworm.html

luv2farm · #8 01/04/11, 07:38 PM

How much Ivemec do I administer? Is it orally or injected?

Minelson · #9 01/04/11, 07:45 PM

That sounds like inflamation on the spine probably from an injury. I don't know what you can use since she is preggos. Sorry I can't help...

Alice In TX/MO · #10 01/04/11, 08:01 PM

Also, I don't know the effect on the fetus of the Ivomec.

Here's what I found about dosage...

Treatment involves very high dosages of injectable ivermectin. Ivermectin paste or pour-on are not effective. Injectable Ivomec should be given at a rate of 1 cc per 55 pounds bodyweight for at least three days
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Goats-348...jections-1.htm

luv2farm · #11 01/04/11, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alice In TX/MO

Also, I don't know the effect on the fetus of the Ivomec.

Here's what I found about dosage...

Treatment involves very high dosages of injectable ivermectin. Ivermectin paste or pour-on are not effective. Injectable Ivomec should be given at a rate of 1 cc per 55 pounds bodyweight for at least three dayshttp://en.allexperts.com/q/Goats-348...jections-1.htm

But do I give it SQ or orally?

Cannon_Farms · #12 01/04/11, 08:41 PM

safeguard has been used as well, not as effective in my opinion but its what my good goat vet recommends as hes found it to work. 5xs the horse dose

susanne · #13 01/04/11, 11:04 PM

damage from meningeal worms will show up in back legs. not front.
what is her temperature? fecal check? diet? minerals?
is she still eating?
synanthec is another name for Oxfendazole and specific for cattle. did your vet recommend this for treatment?

Backfourty,MI. · #14 01/05/11, 10:49 AM

I was thinking injury, is there any way you can have your vet take a look at her?
Sure hope you can get this figured out & quick! Keep us updated if you can.

pookshollow · #15 01/05/11, 10:59 AM

Another possibility is hypocalcaemia - lack of calcium. Are her ears cold?

I have a coming 2-year old who is 2 1/2 months bred, that started showing signs of it - just a little slow to get up, walking gingerly and cold ears. If they're calcium deficient, the body tries to save it for the important things, like heart and lungs, and outer extremities lose out, causing chilling and muscle weakness. It isn't always "milk fever".

It wouldn't hurt to get some extra calcium into her - Tums or calcium supplements, about 4gms worth.

luv2farm · #16 01/05/11, 11:29 AM

Update:

She was still very alert this morning. Still eating and drinking.Still has solid poo. Still not getting up. Called vet. He gave me a to-do list, and if I see no improvement he'll come out. Headed home right now to check on her.

Thanks for all the info and suggestions. I have implemented many of them.
Will report back later.

luv2farm · #17 01/05/11, 01:05 PM

I'm back..... she is still eating, drinking, and pooing just fine. alert and eager. Just cant stand. When I get back home this evening I'm gonna make a sling and get her on her feet.

gave her 3 iron tablets, 2 vit b-complex tablets, and 3 calcuim tablets ground up and mixed with molasses water. She drank it eagerly. Gave her fresh hay and 2 cups of dairy ration (per vet instructions)

According to vet if "stuff is still going in and coming out you got hope"

ETA: all vets are closed here on Wed. So, cant get a fecal till tomorrow morning

grandmajo · #18 01/05/11, 01:16 PM

I hate to say this, but if your in an area that's cold this time of year, the fecal won't do you a bit of good. The worms don't lay eggs when it's cold, so the fecal will be clean and the goat will still have worms. At least that's what Vicki told me a year or so ago.

PrettyPaisley · #19 01/05/11, 01:42 PM

I hope she pulls through!

SherrieC · #20 01/05/11, 02:05 PM

Is the reason she can't stand do to Shakiness, weakness, or is it that front hoof?
I'm sure this is not the case, but it is possible for their feet to go untrimmed, them to have hoof rot, an injury, or an Abscess due to an injury. The pain from the hoof can make them go down and stay down. If there is ice around she may have cut her frog, or slipped and sprained her ankle.
I would check her temp. and Look all over that front hoof.
I have trimmed hooves on my big ole fat preggars ones while they were laying down.