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Kid legs question
Chrissy, the Nubian doeling born on Christmas has some trouble with her front legs. In horses it would be called being down on the pastern, not sure what it's called in horses. Can this be corrected with splinting? Is this something I would need to be worried about passing down to her kids? She hasn't gotten up a lot and seems a bit weak in the hindquarters as well. She has had BoSe and is taking the bottle very well. Any suggestions are welcome.
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12/30/10, 07:05 PM
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Give her a BoSe shot and a capsule of Vitamin E squeezed in her mouth.
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Chrissy, the Nubian doeling born on Christmas has some trouble with her front legs. In horses it would be called being down on the pastern, not sure what it's called in horses. Can this be corrected with splinting? Is this something I would need to be worried about passing down to her kids? She hasn't gotten up a lot and seems a bit weak in the hindquarters as well. She has had BoSe and is taking the bottle very well. Any suggestions are welcome.
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I had a little buckling born with bad front legs. I gave BoSe and after a week or two he was good as new. Here is a picture of him the day he was born.
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12/31/10, 08:10 AM
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Ok. She's had more BoSe, and I'll be running to the store this morning for Vit E. Her front feet are going the opposite direction of Jyllie's baby. He sure is cute! Hopefully this works.
Do I need to repeat either the BoSe or Vit E again?
Should I splint or not?
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12/31/10, 08:21 AM
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I had a kid born last season, whose front feet curled under. He'd probably have straightened out on his own, and gotten along okay IF some older bucklings were not continuously harassing him. I made the decision to splint, and he turned out well. He also had BO-SE.
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Sounds like farmmom's kid is not curling under forward; it's weak and sinking down back onto the backs of it's little ankles.....
If it were a foal of mine, I would make sure it got lots of excercise and free-choice minerals to toughen up the tendons running down the back of the legs....
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Sounds like farmmom's kid is not curling under forward; it's weak and sinking down back onto the backs of it's little ankles.....
If it were a foal of mine, I would make sure it got lots of excercise and free-choice minerals to toughen up the tendons running down the back of the legs....
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You've got the right discription.
We're taking outside for an hour or so a few times a day to stand in the grass. We're also forcing her to stand for her bottle, even if we have to help her get there. I'm not sure how to get minerals in her at this point. Do I mix them in her bottle? If so, how much. I have the Golden Blend minerals.
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12/31/10, 03:41 PM
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The BoSe is an injection.
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Was this baby one of the ones that get up the second it was born? If it was the tendons were loose from birth and got a bit stretched. If they don't straiten up by next weekend (3 weeks old). You can get a bit of leg tape and wrap it loosely. Just be careful if it's cold it will cut down circulation.
Usually it goes away on it's own in a week or so.
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Did the mother get pre natal Copasure? He may also need some copper to work together with the selenium. I dose my kids starting at about 10 days old with some copper glycinate from the health food store for people, mixing in a little instant pudding as a carrier and squirt into mouth, with a syringe plunger, about a quarter tablet twice a week and increasing it with growth till about 4 mos. old then Copasure is used. I am in a very copper deficient area.
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12/31/10, 06:16 PM
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The BoSe is an injection.
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Correct. I gave .5ml
I will see if I can find the copper. I'm not sure if I have any health food stores closeby.
Mama had Copasure in August
This baby did not get up right away, but that is not unusual for any of the kids I've had born here. They all get .5 ml BoSe at birth, but most don't get up for 12-24 hours. She has not gotten up at all without assistance.
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12/31/10, 10:12 PM
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please don't give this tiny newborn kid copper or any more bo-se.
splint the front legs with toilet paper rolls. it will take a couple of days and exercise and they will straighten out.
you can give one vit e capsule for the next couple of days to help get the selenium absorbed.
do you have enough iodine in your mineral mix?
maybe your herd is lacking something and you might need to check your minerals again. it is not normal that all kids born at your place are up that late. here they are up and walking around after 1/2 hour after they are born.
very seldom that we have a kid that need more attention or care.
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Here is the breakdown of what is in my mineral. It is a loose mineral that is available at all times. Please let me know if any of these are deficient.
They also are fed a quality dairy goat feed, free choice mixed grass hay, and some kudzu hay (instead of alfalfa). They are bolused with copper at twice a year, and don't show any symptoms of copper deficiency in between.
Guaranteed Analysis
•Calcium (Ca) Min 13.00%
•Calcium (CA) Max 15.60%
•Phosphorus (P) 7.00%
•Salt (NaCI) Min 20.00%
•Salt (NaCI) Max 24.00%
•Magnesium (Mg) 1.00%
•Potassium (K) Min 0.90%
•Sulfer (S) Min 1.20%
•Iron (Fe) Min 1.00%
•Manganese (Mn) Min 0.30%
•Zinc (Zn) Min 0.40%
•Copper (Cu) Min 0.15%
•Cobalt (Co) Min 0.006%
•Iodine (I) Min 0.007%
•Selenium (Se) Min 12 Mg/lb
•Vitamin A Min 220000 USP Units/lb
•Vitamin D-3 Min 45000 USP Units/lb
•Vitamin E Min 220 Int Unites/lb
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This baby did not get up right away, but that is not unusual for any of the kids I've had born here. They all get .5 ml BoSe at birth, but most don't get up for 12-24 hours.
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Are you saying it takes that long for them to stand up the first time?
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01/01/11, 07:20 AM
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Are you saying it takes that long for them to stand up the first time?
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Yes, I can stand them up, but as soon as I release them, they fall. Some don't even attempt to stand for quite a while after birth. I started last year giving BoSe at birth. That hasn't changed anything in this regard, but I have continued to do it. The does also get BoSe at the beginning of breeding season and again at kidding.
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Our kids are up within the first hour at the most. Something is WRONG if kids aren't up in 12 hours!
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Copasure is most usually quarterly. If in August, the next should have been early December at the latest.
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Copasure is most usually quarterly. If in August, the next should have been early December at the latest.
Our kids are up within the first hour at the most. Something is WRONG if kids aren't up in 12 hours!
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Even if there is no indication of copper deficiency?
Please help me figure out what is wrong! I've tried everything suggested with the exception of quarterly copasure! I'm feeding quality feed, minerals, hay etc. Everyone appears healthy. They were all examined by a vet just a few months ago when CAE testing was done. I don't have a clue what I'm doing wrong. This is why I started using BoSe last year - because I knew they should get up quicker than that, but it didn't change a thing!
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I doesnt matter whats in you minerals if you do not know what is in your soil and water, you can even go as deep as having your hay tested which I recommend just for the fact thats the cheapest part of a feeding program more so than mineral content.
I am not that copper difficient but have a lot of iron in my water hindering the absorption of the copper. You can od on selenium and copper both and with this little one Id go along with being scared of an od since the copper tolerance is unknown and the selenium is 3ppm on a adult average goat.
Being cooped up for 2 months and mom laying on you all the time can cause some binding of tendons I believe that physical therapy is the best option since it should have corrected itself with the supplements you have already given. I just had a call out to two babies born that way they where right as rain within 24 hours of a BOSE injection, well not perfectly normal but well on the way. The mothers where bought from a non mineral giving home with poor feed. My crew I have never had to give a supplement other than good minerals to, I copper bolus for baber pole worms not so much because they are difficent
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Yes, I can stand them up, but as soon as I release them, they fall
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That may be a BAD Selenium deficiency.
They should stand in MINUTES, not hours
When I have twin lambs, often the first one is nursing before the second is born
It was 16 minutes from the time this white lamb hit the ground until it was up and walking
You can see it's twin is only halfway out:
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