ISO sold/lost doe in Oregon

[victory]

Well, one of my worst fears.

A goat I sold, was resold, without her papers, possibly as a pet.
She is a sweet beautiful, awesome black and white Nigerian doe with beautiful blue eyes.
The breeder I purchased her from contacted me inquiring if I sold her, which I had for various reasons. Needless to say, the woman who bought her resold her. I am hoping some how to find her. I have pics on my web site...www.victorycaprines.webs.com, she is on the home page on top of my barn, and again on in the photo album, the only black and white blue eyed goat.
I do have another email in to the original buyer, asking detailed questions, I also posted on CL in Portland, and another goat forum.
She was sold to a woman in Central Oregon, so she could be anywhare by now!!
I would love to know where she is, and hopefully get her back to her home farm to her full potential as a milker!!
Any ideas?? Comments?? Anyone seen her??
Thanks a ton for any help!!
Victoria

[Minelson]

She is really a pretty goat! I hope you find out what is goin on with her and where she is!

[Our Little Farm]

Well, one of my worst fears.

I really am not understanding this and don't meant to offend or anything, but surely once you sell a goat that is it. She no longer has any connection to you and the person you sold her too has the right to do anything she wants with her, including selling her without papers or even eating her.

I would love to know where she is, and hopefully get her back to her home farm to her full potential as a milker!!

Her 'home farm' changed when you sold her. If you did not want this to happen, then you should not have sold her. You don't know if she is already at her full potential as a milker for a family!

Maybe I am wrong but that is my feelings on the subject, I do not understand the 'I sold her but still should have a say' mentality.

She is a beautiful doe!

[Minelson]

Sometimes when an animal is sold there is a clause in the contract that the seller will be notified if the animal is to be sold again and the seller has first dibs on buying the animal back. I had that with a horse and the same thing happened. The horse was sold to someone else before informing me and I had it in the sale contract to be told before sold to anyone else.

[victory]

Originally Posted by Our Little Farm

I really am not understanding this and don't meant to offend or anything, but surely once you sell a goat that is it. She no longer has any connection to you and the person you sold her too has the right to do anything she wants with her, including selling her without papers or even eating her.


Her 'home farm' changed when you sold her. If you did not want this to happen, then you should not have sold her. You don't know if she is already at her full potential as a milker for a family!

Maybe I am wrong but that is my feelings on the subject, I do not understand the 'I sold her but still should have a say' mentality.

She is a beautiful doe!

Well, we all have an opinion.

By my worst fears, I fear, have always feared one of my goats being lost with out her papers. Not that non papered goats are no good,(my best milker is not papered) but to have a goat with papers at times is a protection for her. Always having a connection to the breeder, the ability to show, the ability to sell papered babies etc. Gredel was resold without her papers. Through no fault of any one.

Honestly I half expect all the goats I sell to be resold, that is what we do. But I feel it is my responsibility as a breeder to offer to buy back any goat I sell. Normally when I sell a goat, this is discussed and understood. This person did not respect our agreement, that is how people are these days, I half expect it.
The big deal to me is not knowing where she went, and knowing she went unpapered.

I realize I let go of my rights when I sell, I am just trying to find her, to see how she is doing, possibly get her back, or get her papers to who ever has her.

Honestly, this is why I don't breed alot any more, because I have seen so many goats neglected and not being treated the way they should. So many nice goats get sold and die due to neglect. I can't tell you how many people come into the clinic where I use to work, with a near dead goat, from cocci, worms, copper deficiency..the list goes on.

I don't feel I have any rights over her, maybe I wrote that wrong. She is a beautiful show goat, my hope is she can continue to show off what she has as she loves it!! If she is in a pet home, being loved and cared for, that's great too. I don't think there is any harm at all in trying to find out.
That is my opinion..

[Shygal]

Originally Posted by Our Little Farm

I really am not understanding this and don't meant to offend or anything, but surely once you sell a goat that is it. She no longer has any connection to you and the person you sold her too has the right to do anything she wants with her, including selling her without papers or even eating her.


Her 'home farm' changed when you sold her. If you did not want this to happen, then you should not have sold her. You don't know if she is already at her full potential as a milker for a family!

Maybe I am wrong but that is my feelings on the subject, I do not understand the 'I sold her but still should have a say' mentality.

She is a beautiful doe!

I don't get it either, especially since the OP bought the goat from someone else, and sold her to this other person to begin with

[victory]

Hmmm, well never mind then. I only posted on here hoping some one had a good idea, or possibly knew about her...guess I shouldn't have tried on here in the first place...guess that's why people post requesting no criticism...I should of..

[Alice In TX/MO]

Hey Victory, you are trying to get a beloved goat back. I do understand.

Huggs,
Alice

[Minelson]

I understand totally!! You were right to post here about your prediciment because maybe someone will recognize her and tell the new owner that you are concerned. I would be thrilled if Gretta's original owner contacted me and wondered how she was doing and offered up papers! Your fine. And I hope you do find out something about her. HUGGS!!!!!
Also, I don't think it was exactly critisism...just not understanding and wondering

[victory]

Thanks for the support, and encouragement, it really means alot!

[beccachow]

The woman who bought her didn't keep a receipt, by any chance?

[oregon woodsmok]

One of your worst fears? Why is it you think that nobody is taking care of her? No reason that I can see.

If she is in Central Oregon, we are serious around here about animal abuse and if she is being starved, someone will turn the owner in and the owner will be fined or jailed and the goat taken into protective custody.

Milk goats are expensive so I think there is a good chance that whoever paid all that money for a goat is taking care of it. There are free goats all over the place. Why would anyone drive all the way to (where ever you are?) to pay money to buy a goat if they didn't want a goat?

There are very few vets that treat livestock in Central Oregon, so I suggest that you send them a flier to post on their bulletin board with a note that she is not stolen and you are just trying to find out if she is OK.

I'm out and about and see a lot of farms and I've yet to see any goats that are starving to death. Occasionally, I see a goat with mud on it, but a little bit of mud is not going to kill a goat.

Also, try contacting the 4-H. Maybe, since she's a nice goat, she ended up with a 4-H kid.

There actually are not very many feed stores in Central Oregon, so you could send fliers to all of them.

She could be anywhere? You think that everybody who lives in Central Oregon is a gypsy? If she was sold to a lady in Central Oregon, the goat is most likely still in Central Oregon.

By the way, is the goat micro-chipped? Maybe if you find her, you can reunite her with her papers.

I suggest that you never sell another goat if it is so important to you to know where they are all of their lives. It's not even possible to get all puppy buyers to keep in touch and it would be 20-30 times more difficult with goats. A dog might be a family member, but a goat is livestock.

[victory]

Oregon Woodsmok,
You certainly have some nice ideas, thanks so much for that.
Again, I feel like I am not being understood. I never assumed any of what you say on your post. I do know people from Idaho buy from Oregon, Central Oregon,heck I have bought goats from Central Oregon thus my comment about the possibility of her being any where.
Gredel is not chipped, but she is tattooed.

I am not at all obsessive~compulsive when I sell an animal, goodness! I feel it is my responsibility to offer help or buy back if needed. I realize some people will not respect this agreement, which I have learned to live with. I don't expect to know where all the goats I have ever sold are, only that the papers stay with them, which is one of my reasons for trying to find her.

I have seen alot of goats, alot of farms, farm calls with my boss, it is sad what goats go through, granted not all of them, but some. I am hoping to connect with Gredel and her new owner. She was my pet, all of my animals are my pets, chickens, dogs, cats, rabbits, and yes, goats.

[Our Little Farm]

Originally Posted by victory

Hmmm, well never mind then. I only posted on here hoping some one had a good idea, or possibly knew about her...guess I shouldn't have tried on here in the first place...guess that's why people post requesting no criticism...I should of..

I did not understand, and was actually hoping someone would enlighten me! Like Minelson, thankyou Minelson.

[Our Little Farm]

Originally Posted by Minelson

I understand totally!! You were right to post here about your prediciment because maybe someone will recognize her and tell the new owner that you are concerned. I would be thrilled if Gretta's original owner contacted me and wondered how she was doing and offered up papers! Your fine. And I hope you do find out something about her. HUGGS!!!!!
Also, I don't think it was exactly critisism...just not understanding and wondering

You are right, it wasn't supposed to be critisism, just total bewilderment and lack of understanding they whys of the situation. That is why I posted that I hoped that I did not offend but did not understand.

I have sold many livestock animals, horses, goats, sheep etc so am not new to livestock sales but maybe top milking goat is different? Or was it a pet....now I'm getting confused. LOL

[victory]

I know now never to post any thing after midnight. I was tired, and sounded a bit confused.
All of my goats, show, milking, what ever are my pets..all of them..
Sorry for any confusion, my new rule..no posting when tired!!

[Minelson]

Originally Posted by victory

I know now never to post any thing after midnight. I was tired, and sounded a bit confused.
All of my goats, show, milking, what ever are my pets..all of them..
Sorry for any confusion, my new rule..no posting when tired!!

We have all done that LOL!! Anyone who has concerns aobut any goat for whatever reason is a good person in my book
Merry Christmas!

[Our Little Farm]

LOL...tiredness and exhaustion will do that to anyone, lack of coffee is my excuse.

I am sure she is in a loving home, wherever she is. I don't have papers for some of my animals, and could have. I don't need them. Yet they are still cared for very very well.

Hopefully a family have her as their pet milking goat, along with a few others.

[Our Little Farm]

Originally Posted by Minelson

Sometimes when an animal is sold there is a clause in the contract that the seller will be notified if the animal is to be sold again and the seller has first dibs on buying the animal back. I had that with a horse and the same thing happened. The horse was sold to someone else before informing me and I had it in the sale contract to be told before sold to anyone else.

See? I did not know this.

Also, I still don't understand how having papers offers protection for a goat? Unless it is because they may be worth more?

[CaliannG]

It is kinda that they are worth more...but more that their offspring would be worth more.

Most people are more likely to try to treat and rehabilitate a sick or injured doe that is registered than they are one that is grade or crossbred. When it comes to treatment options, you have to balance the costs of treatment against the value of the doe and her worth in the improvement of your herd. A grade doe has a lower threshold of heading to freezer camp rather than to another vet visit.

No matter what you breed a grade doe to, you are going to get grade babies.

If you breed a registered doe to a grade buck, you get grade babies. If you breed her to a registered buck of another breed, you get an experimental. If you breed her to a Nigerian Dwarf, you get an F1 Mini. If you breed her to a registered buck of her own breed, you have registered babies.

Quality is also a reason registered stock is more valuable...but not the ONLY reason. Those options I mentioned above are the main reason; with registered stock, you have choices. With grade stock, you do not.

Victoria, I am so sorry you got such a response to your very valid question. I do not know why people responded so negatively....I know that if the former owners of any of my grade does came looking for me to give me papers on them, I'd be doing cartwheels and posting a thread on hear titled "You wouldn't BELIEVE what this super cool woman did!"