sick does

[JR05]

Ok, have 3 does 4-6 years old basically good health, bred in October, all have diarreah and not eatting. Took sample to vet,said I had cocossi. Gave corid for the five days in water to entire herd, still have the runs(like pancake batter) and not eatting. All have been given copper boluses and selinum for the year.Also no one is running a temp all seem normal. Will go out and eat grass and hay. Any suggestions will be appreciated.

[rootsandwings]

probiotics - the kind in the tube for horses, not the powdered kind that you mix in the water.

also, if it's cold there, are you sure they drank enough water to get a full dose of the corid?

[Tallabred]

You need to get them on bactrim or SMZT(I think) from your vet. Corid is a preventable substance. The SMZT is an antibiotic/sulfer drug. It is also a people drug for mersa.

Do this as soon as possible or you will lose them - This was the problem I had with my first goats.

[Alice In TX/MO]

Giving corid in the water is not proper administration. They most likely didn't get full dosage by that method.

You must drench them *each* with the proper dose for five days.

6.25cc per 25 pounds for 5 days

[jordan]

Adding Corid or Albon to the water is pretty useless. You can't determine how much any of the goats are actually ingesting (it is a great way to build resistance to the med though! ). You have to give it orally for 5-7 days. If you give Corid, make sure that you are also giving vit B shots daily since Corid seriously depletes it from their system.
Some coccidia is normal in an adult goat, did he give you the specific counts or just say they had it?
Lois

[jordan]

Are you giving them anything for the diarhea? Pepto or Immodium? You have to get the diarhea stopped and give probiotics too.
Lois

[Alice In TX/MO]

From Dairygoatinfo.com...

Corid, depletes the cocci occysts ability to utilize thiamin in the goats system to move to adulthood...IT DOES NOT, unless overused cause thiamin/b1/polio in your goats. And anything, herbal wormers, chemical wormers, electrolytes, Fast Track, grain if given in enough amounts can destroy rumen flora and cause polio in your goat.

[fishhead]

I didn't think that cocci was a problem with adult goats unless they were really stressed by something else?

What are you feeding them? I would restrict them to grass hay until you get it straightened out.

[momagoat61]

DO NOT GIVE THEM IMODIUM. IT WILL KILL THEM..RUMINATE'S ARE NOT TO BE GIVEN IMODIUM... The pepto would be fine.. They will die a painful death if given immodium because it shuts down their rumin.

[JR05]

The vet just said they had it not counts. I have started the individual dosing with B12 shots and a probio. I have the animal pink pepo that you get from the vet so I will give some of that tomorrow. Weather up until today has been ok not too cold. Cold is here tonight and everyone is locked in the barn with plenty of hay. Propably will be tomorrow too. Up until this occured all the girls were doing great, gaining weight and in good mood. They don't act sick so maybe all Iam doing is at least stopped the forward progress of sickness. Thanks for info.

[Oat Bucket Farm]

A dose of Banamine will help calm the gut and reduce inflamation in the intestinal lining.

[Cannon_Farms]

i would get some dimethox in them now and skip the corid, corid is a great preventive but not the best on the cure or get some albon from your vet NOW.
You cant ever put something in the water and expect goats to get every thing they need, they are picky enough to go without and corid is extreamly bitter.
I wouldnt give pepto because im a fan of the body doing what it needs to do.
i do agree with probiotics and alfalfa hay

[Backfourty,MI.]

I would also treat with the Di-Methox for 5-7 days, as well as probios paste & a good grass/alfafa hay mix if you can get it.

I also agree that putting the corid in the water will not be of much help to your goats.
If you don't dose them with the proper amounts you will not be helping them.

[Natural Beauty Farm]

Have the cows been sick? Did you lose any calves this year?
There was a virus going around... maybe you are just getting it later then the rest of us?
Only lasted for a day here, did supportive stuff only.
Since it has been longer, maybe some antibiotics are needed?
I can send some Draxin if you need it.

[secretcreek]

Originally Posted by jordan

Are you giving them anything for the diarhea? Pepto or Immodium? You have to get the diarhea stopped and give probiotics too.
Lois

NO IMMODIUM EVER FOR A GOAT!!!!!! It will shut down the rumen and you'll have a deficiency of thiamine and BOOM! polio hit or plain ol' dead goats. Kaopectate or pepto are okay- they coat the gut Immod. shuts it completely down....

Probios gel, baking soda are okay. Banamine is great for pain/inflammation but make sure there's not already a low body temp in this weather from dehydration. Banamine can drop the body temp to a danger level ~IF~ the body temp is already low...then there goes the heart pppfftt.

A goat is one tough animal in many ways and yet it all hangs on a delicate balance too... A goat is a walking rumen. You gotta play a game to keep that rumen happy and functioning at it's happy metabolic level. Disruptions ( stresses from: food changes, illness, injuries, infections, high parasite levels, weather swings, travel, new situations...etc... ) can cause the goat to go off food which starts the downward spiral. A healthy goat will be okay for a day or so but...once the glucose levels ( energy from foods) in the system are used up the thiamine level is depleted, there's a ketosis problem, and the brain swells. I't super hard to bring a goat around from that stage without problems...*(ask me how I know how hard it is!!).

I had a wether go dehydrated on me last week- I don't know why, but I could tell he started to act blind. I knew he was in big trouble if I didn't get fluids into him and bump his thiamine level, etc... I made a cocktail of warm water with molasses to hide the thiamine smell he hates, I put baking soda in the warm water to counter act the acid of the molasses, and I drenched that into him - sometimes I use a drench "gun" really it's a strong oral syringe to get fluids way back on their tongues. This time I just used a water bottle becasue he loves to drink out of a pop or water bottle. I got three down his gullet and walked him to make some muscle heat- he was really cold. I tricked him on the second and third bottle of warm water -as I only smeared moasses on the bottle rim heh heh... He didn't need too much sugar in his rumen- just fluids and roughage. He could have used some vit b complex too to stimulate his appetite and calm the gut, it has a little thiamine in it but I felt he needed a big gun amount of thiamine. He also wanted to eat rosebush sticks-so I got him some. I figure he needed some heavier roughage than grassy hay to make heat on the cold night ahead. He is fine now- but whew...he could have gone down on me easy. This is why is so crucial to keep a tool box of goat meds onhand. NOTHING happens when the Vet office is open around here! I need a new bag of IVfluids( sodium) and the tubing for when I have a problem and can't drench.
-scrt crk

[JR05]

Up-DATE. The girls are doing better. I have been individual dosing them and they have dried up and have started eatting again. The corid is so cold that they don't taste it or are just resolved that one way or another I will make them take it! One of the does had alot of fresh blood come out with the poop so I think she may have slipped her kids, we will know if she comes back into heat.
Natural Beauty Farm the cows have been just fine no calves lost. Of course we only have the 4 girls now with 3 calves that need to go to the auction before the weather really gets bad, easier to care for just 4 then 7.

[motdaugrnds]

Secret, will you tell us how much Thiamine you used in that drench?