KGBA or Kinder Registery complaint

[Creamers]

Okay, this might result in a huge debate, but I'm going to risk it because this joke of a registry really has me angry.

As a result of one accidental breeding of what you would consider Kinder kids between my ADGA Nubian and my grade Pygmy buck selling very well. . . I've repeated the breeding and had good luck with sales.

My website, which gets a LOT of traffic, labels them as Kinder crossed but makes it PLAIN they are out of a grade buck and registered to track/record breedings through the IDGR as experimentals. I make it plain they are not registered with the KGBA and always have. Buyer know this and could care less because, as you all know, this cross is a homestead cross 99.5% of the time. . .they just want a good old dual purpose goat for meat and milk. . .nothing more.

I got a letter from an attorney today, which I'd be happy to share if anyone wants to see it, just PM me, that said I was illegally using the Kinder name and would be subject to legal action if I even used the Kinder name to describe my cross and that the KGBA originated this breed
Ummm, lol. Okay.

I put up a long deal about it on my website because I get so much traffic, I really want those looking for this cross or any goat to know how this group works. . .it boils down to trying to force people to register with their group, which I'd never do even if I purchase a NPGA buck now.

I reworded everything to say Same cross as the Kinder cross, Kinder like cross and look pains to explain, at length, the difference in my 1st gen kids and the technical Kinder kid. . .lol. . . etc. . .and regardless of if they like it or not, I will not change it and am aware I can explain them this way, despite the threats made to me.

I just wanted to relay this story. I think the association is pitiful, at best, and I'd never consider using them or recommending them in any form.

[Oat Bucket Farm]

That would be like the ADGA saying you couldn't use the Nubian part of grade Nubian, or the Alpine part of grade Alpine. Unless thet have some sort of legal registered copyright or trademark on the name Kinder, they are as full of goat pellets as the manure pile.

[Laverne]

Beefmaster Plus is a trademarked cattle. I've never heard of Kinder being trademarked. Hmm, maybe I should trademark Microsoft goats, a cross between a Pygmy and a Cashmere goat.

[LFRJ]

I can't defend the KGBA for their actions, but I faintly (no pun intended) understand their position.

As I understand it, yes, Kinder is Nubian/Pygmy Cross, but it takes I believe 5 generations until the offspring are official "Kinder". The building blocks, gen 1 - 4 get certificates of Merit or something.

It may be that they are hyper sensitive since many members are dedicated to truly developing a solid breed, and are very selective. I imagine they are trying to be protective of any backyard breeder simply crossing their Pygmy and Nubian then selling them off as Kinders, which would not well represent the breed at all.

It sounds to me as though you were doing your very best to use "Kinder" as more of an adjective, (if you will), to explain your product. I thus, understand both your gripe, and theirs...though it would have been nice if they would have merely sent you a letter direct explaining their expectations, rather than a letter from an attorney, if I have the whole story straight here.

This may be part of the growing pains of a new breed. Sounds to me like you're on the right track with a good stock and solid market to develop a good line if you wanted according to the established guidelines. I can understand their desire to have someone like you as a part of their registry thus, though I'm sure this action was from a protective standpoint, certainly not invitational. Too bad they rubbed you the wrong way.

[Creamers]

I had mine clearly marked as 1st generation and they claim there is a trademark on the name Kinder, which I cannot find any evidence of online or anything stating that on the website, so how was I to know or even think such a thing was possible?
Yes, it was letter from an attorney. Outrageous, really. I cannot understand how they can trademark the name for a crossed breed of goat. . .they had nothing to do with the development, and they do not indicate any breed traits they are searching for which would anything more than typical dairy traits and would result from any breeding between a quality Pygmy and quality Nubian. Nonsense, all around.

[cwgfarm]

Not wanting to start anything here but would like to find other breeders of Kinder R type goats that have had a problems with KBGA or it's trademarking of the Kinder name. Are you still raising KinderR goats? Are you registering them? Thanks

[rootsandwings]

maybe if you don't capitalize it - "kinder" goats (not as mean as the others....)

[Oat Bucket Farm]

I have heard of other people on other lists selling out of "Kinders" because of the KBGA's stance on things. They decided it wasn't worth the hassle. We consider Kinder's at one point, but decided it wasn't worth the mess. Much easier to just go with a breed that isn't restricted to one registry.

[Creamers]

I no longer raise the breed.

[Natural Beauty Farm]

As I understand it they just trademarked the name "K.....er" and now they are going after everyone who uses the word, threatening legal action. Just hope no body is made an example of. They are in their legal rights, right or wrong. Its now like someone opening a burger joint and calling it like McD's, nobody can call their goats K...ers.

[rootsandwings]

I'm sorry, I didn't realize this post was dug up from a year ago by a first time poster - i just couldn't resist the urge to shoot my smart mouth off.

cwgfarm - if you aren't a troll with an ax to grind, welcome. post some more and we'll get to know you.

ps mini nubians are cool. :-)

[rootsandwings]

crossed with natural beauty - seriously?

is that really going to go down well with goat people?

I never really understood where the word "Kinder" came from anyway (kinder like a nubian, kinder like a pygmy"?)