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10/29/10, 10:29 AM
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bred doe in heat 7 days later?
I have an Alpine doe,Shasta, born early 08, kidded April 09; I milked her through last winter without trying to breed her. I don't have a buck but take her about 5 miles up the road.
This year I started putting a buck rag out for her to sniff early in October. She seemed interested in the buck rag intermittently, but not at nice 3- or 4- week intervals. I took her to the buck on October 20; at that point she was sniffing heavily and trying to eat the buck rag, and very occasionally doing something that might have been flagging. When she got into the pasture with the buck she flagged harder and passed some mucus. He was interested, she stood, it looked as though she was bred. Then on Oct. 25 she began flagging intermittently and continued through the 26th. She flagged fairly steadily when shown the buck rag. She isn't passing mucus, and when she's not waving her tail she's holding it lower than usual.
So I have several questions. Might a bred doe show heat signs? Will a doe who isn't really in heat excite the buck's interest and stand to be bred? What kind of problems might cause a doe to show heat signs at 7 day intervals? And advice/stories would be greatly appreciated.
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10/29/10, 10:44 AM
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Clarification: when she seemed to be red the buck tossed his head, she hunched, there was goo...it really looked like a breeding. I realize that doesn't necessarily mean she conceived...
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10/29/10, 11:12 AM
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i always like to see multiple mateings just to be on the safe side, i am not really sure what would cause your doe to cycle like that, maybe she is playing off the other does hormones?
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10/29/10, 11:37 AM
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It is fairly common for a bred doe to show signs of heat 5-7 days later. Watch her for signs of heat 3 weeks after the breeding. If she comes into heat then, she probably should revisit the buck.
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10/29/10, 12:10 PM
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Trub acted like she was in heat, so I let Beaux in with her. They did the deed, I put him back in the buck pen.
A week or so later, Trub acted like she was REALLY REALLY in heat (I thought her butt was going to helicopter up, her tail was flagging so hard!), and Beaux darned near burst through the fence to get to her.
The REALLY REALLY did the deed, and now they're both pointedly ignoring each other.
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10/29/10, 12:24 PM
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LMAO Pony, did you give them a Cig after?
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10/29/10, 06:50 PM
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Ok this got me thinking and sorry not trying to hyjack but one quick question my doe was in heat on a sunday and was in with a buck all morning. Then the next sat she jumped the fence to get into the buck pen, but got bred by a different buck so is there any way to tell which buck will sire her babies
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10/29/10, 07:39 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by KSALguy
LMAO Pony, did you give them a Cig after?
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Nah, they were smokin' already!
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10/29/10, 08:02 PM
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10/29/10, 09:47 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cur huntin' kid
Ok this got me thinking and sorry not trying to hyjack but one quick question my doe was in heat on a sunday and was in with a buck all morning. Then the next sat she jumped the fence to get into the buck pen, but got bred by a different buck so is there any way to tell which buck will sire her babies
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It sounds like she wanted in with those bucks pretty bad so I would guess she didn't settle the first breeding & my guess is that the 2nd buck will be the daddy! It will for sure be like christmas at your place when those babies are born just to see who they look like.
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10/29/10, 09:49 PM
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When my does' come in heat & I'm ready to breed them I stick them with the buck morning & evening from the first day they show signs of a heat & for 2 more days.
If they don't come back in heat about 3 weeks later I know they settled.
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11/01/10, 12:26 PM
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I see a 5-7 day post-breeding heat almost every year, different does. I rebreed on those 5-7 day heats and so far they've always settled, almost sure on the second breeding according to kidding dates. I just rebred a yearling doe yesterday that was bred 7 days before. Guess we'll see what happens in 17-21 days. I'm not sure what causes that, I need to do more research when I have time.
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11/01/10, 12:30 PM
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I know that goats aren't induced ovulators, but I wonder if breeding at the initial heat triggers a stronger, post-breeding heat...
<shrug>
They're goats. They live to puzzle us. 
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11/01/10, 01:22 PM
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bred mine the 5th and the 23rd (last time that happened It turned out to be the first breeding that took) she had some heat signs today and wanted in with the buck, so I let her. She said "Oh thank you, his food looks so much better than mine", ate, and settled down for a nap. He ignored her after he gave up on keeping all the hay for himself.
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11/01/10, 01:58 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rootsandwings
bred mine the 5th and the 23rd (last time that happened It turned out to be the first breeding that took) she had some heat signs today and wanted in with the buck, so I let her. She said "Oh thank you, his food looks so much better than mine", ate, and settled down for a nap. He ignored her after he gave up on keeping all the hay for himself.
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LOL!!
Yeah.
Goats.
Gotta love 'em!
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11/01/10, 02:14 PM
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The way I understand it, a five to seven day return to heat is a short cycle which means the corpus luteum did not survive and the ovaries have produced another corpus luteum.
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11/01/10, 06:42 PM
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If 2 bucks bred a doe within a week of each other, for registered stock I'd lute the doe. There's no way you can be absolutely certain who the father is (yea looks possibly, but genetics can show up several generations after the fact so isn't 100% reliable).
You can have a DNA test done but it's cheaper & easier to lute.
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