What breeds are seasonal breeders?

Backfourty,MI. · #1 10/20/10, 05:15 PM

And what breeds are year around breeders? I started out with Pygmies when we first got goats & then switched to Nigerian Dwarfs so I know both of those breeds are year around breeders but what about the other breeds?

HappyFarmer · #2 10/20/10, 05:23 PM

Pygmies are year round breeders except for here (our farm in CT). When we had pygmies way back when they never came in heat out of season, earliest was Sep.

Myotonics are year round breeders, but only about 1/2 of them here on our farm. I don't know the reason, but I suspect is has to do with their origin farm & it's location we imported them from. If anyone has any further thoughts on the why's I'd like to hear them.

HF

IndyGardenGal · #3 10/20/10, 06:12 PM

I've heard that some Nubians can breed year round. Not sure how often that happens though.

Oat Bucket Farm · #4 10/20/10, 06:32 PM

I believe Boers are year round breeders but I am not 100% certain on that.

Haven · #5 10/20/10, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by HappyFarmer

. I don't know the reason, but I suspect is has to do with their origin farm & it's location we imported them from. If anyone has any further thoughts on the why's I'd like to hear them.

HF

Maybe the long CT winters and lack of sunlight starting in the fall is turning off their internal clocks?

HappyFarmer · #6 10/20/10, 06:46 PM

Probably. last year I started documenting who did & who didn't to try to get a correlation to their origin climate, or another reason if it exists. I know Cornell was doing a study on this but I havn't seen the results.

Last year I had a doe breed on her kid-heat (is there a name for that?). She took off towards the buck when we were moving mom & kids outside, yup 5 months later she kidded twins.

Actually, I looked at my records, it wasn't 1/2 the does, more like only 1/4 of the does bred out of season.

HF

jerryf · #7 10/20/10, 07:04 PM

Nubians and Boers will breed year around if the buck is in rut/in the mood, I have had Boers kid every month. And I am in Minnesota
The European breeds Saanen Toggenburg Alpine, Guernsey are all seasonal breeders.....come in heat reliably as the day light hours shorten-- August thru January

Jerry

KSALguy · #8 10/20/10, 09:12 PM

it seams breeds developed in a warmer climate tend to breed year round, the breeds developed in climats that have a very clear distinction of winter and summer tend to be more seasonal,

LaMancha
Boer
Nubian
Pygme
Nigerian
all year for the most part,

Alpine
Saanen
Oberhalsi
Toggenburg
Seasonal breeders,

also a buck can and will breed a doe in heat regardless of him being in Rut or not, Rut only means that he has an over abundance of Testosterone in his system durring the Peak breeding time for most of the females, but if a buck out of rut is presented with a doe in heat out of the normal season then he will gladly do the deed,

wintrrwolf · #9 10/21/10, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by KSALguy

it seams breeds developed in a warmer climate tend to breed year round, the breeds developed in climats that have a very clear distinction of winter and summer tend to be more seasonal,

LaMancha
Boer
Nubian
Pygme
Nigerian
all year for the most part,

Alpine
Saanen
Oberhalsi
Toggenburg
Seasonal breeders,

also a buck can and will breed a doe in heat regardless of him being in Rut or not, Rut only means that he has an over abundance of Testosterone in his system durring the Peak breeding time for most of the females, but if a buck out of rut is presented with a doe in heat out of the normal season then he will gladly do the deed,

Couldn't have said it any better.

Whisperwindkat · #10 10/21/10, 08:18 AM

My Nubians and Boers did not get the message. They follow the same seasonal clock as the cold weather breeds. No breeding or rut year round here. Blessings, Kat

Jay27 · #11 10/21/10, 09:08 AM

You can breed anything year-round with the use of CIDRs. This is very common in the cow-world and becoming increasingly common in goats.

Backfourty,MI. · #12 10/21/10, 09:18 AM

Was just curious. I have a mini nubian buck who seems to be in full rut, acting different than my Nigerian dwarf bucks ever have & who by the way will breed any doe year around like KSALguy said above.

But I also have 2 mini nubian does' that are sisters to my mini nubian buck. So far I haven't seen them have an actual heat period like my Nigerian does but that mini buck can escape from anything & I want to make sure he doesn't get his sisters. So I have been watching them closely, I also have a full size nubian doe that is only 5 months old that I definately don't want bred now either.

KSALguy · #13 10/21/10, 12:14 PM

Murphys law, the ones you DONT want to breed probably will, just cause we dont see them come into heat doesnt mean they dont, the buck will know and if there is any way possible he will get them lol,

Backfourty,MI. · #14 10/21/10, 02:09 PM

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Murphys law, the ones you DONT want to breed probably will, just cause we dont see them come into heat doesnt mean they dont, the buck will know and if there is any way possible he will get them lol,

That's what I'm afraid of.

This Buck can clear 4 feet fences without touching it. Our Boys pen's look so ghetto now since we ran 2 additional feet of chicken wire on top of the 4 foot fencing. So far it's working. Had to add wood on top of our wood gates, they are now 6 feet tall so he can't get over them.

Pony · #15 10/21/10, 03:25 PM

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That's what I'm afraid of.

This Buck can clear 4 feet fences without touching it. Our Boys pen's look so ghetto now since we ran 2 additional feet of chicken wire on top of the 4 foot fencing. So far it's working. Had to add wood on top of our wood gates, they are now 6 feet tall so he can't get over them.

Alright, so I have this picture of your buck in a Superman suit (complete with cape), jumping over fences to get to your girls for Truth, Justice, and Procreation...

I'm in a weird mood.

Okay, weirder than usual...

Backfourty,MI. · #16 10/21/10, 03:35 PM

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Alright, so I have this picture of your buck in a Superman suit (complete with cape), jumping over fences to get to your girls for Truth, Justice, and Procreation...

I'm in a weird mood.

Okay, weirder than usual...

I'm not kidding & without the suit & cape!
The day dh & I were putting up the chicken wire, he was literally trying to climb right over me while I was trying to block the fence in that area.

I kinda feel sorry for him becuase it seems like a different doe come's in heat every few days to a week & it's driving him crazy! The other 2 boys don't act like that though!

Anymore it's a surprise to look outside & actually see him still in his pen or pasture. It doesn't even surprise me anymore to see him out it's getting to be so common!

Gunnie · #17 10/22/10, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by IndyGardenGal

I've heard that some Nubians can breed year round. Not sure how often that happens though.

I've got nine little "it does happen" in my laundry room right now. Lol.

IndyGardenGal · #18 10/22/10, 09:41 PM

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I've got nine little "it does happen" in my laundry room right now. Lol.

We need pictures....you know as proof.

Backfourty,MI. · #19 10/22/10, 09:50 PM

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I've got nine little "it does happen" in my laundry room right now. Lol.

Yeah when people talk baby goats here, we really like pictures! It's like our fix

Welcome to the goat forum to by the way! Your not too far from me I don't believe either.