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10/15/10, 05:40 PM
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She's "just not right"....
My 6 yr old doe is just not herself.
I noticed her being lazy and introverted about 5 days ago, but her temp was normal and her gums were pink. She just didn't gallop in for feed like normal (she sauntered  ) and for the life of me I couldn't get her to maaaaa-maaaa at me (just blank stares).
Keeping an eye on her, she seemed overall within normal range (normal poops, normal eating, normal cud chewing) but not normal for her, you know?
2 days ago, she didn't bother to get up for her pellets & BOSS  , so I went in with a rope and caught her. Now THAT set off alarm bells: this is not a goat you just waltz right up to a grab by the horns...
I felt her all over, looked at her gums again (pale pink), felt her tummy (normal) and then decided to wack her with my standard "ain't feeling well" package...
She got: 2oz Nutri-Drench, 2cc Thiamine SQ, and 4cc Ivomec Plus orally.
She was due to be wormed, and had a mild dry cough within the last 2 weeks.
She was "better" yesterday, and this morning, but this evening had to be hollered at to even get up and think about coming for her pellets & BOSS. She did wander over, and nose at the bucket, and then wander back off.
She does not have a snotty nose, or I'd be thinking pneumonia.
She does seem a small bit lame in her right front leg, but this really isn't a goat that I would peg for a food-refuser for just an ouchy leg...???
Her wether-son and her play head-butt and chase, and they are horned goats, so now I'm wondering if she got rammed real hard, or perhaps my pony kicked her?
What would you do?
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10/15/10, 07:42 PM
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Hugs! I hate it when someone is "off". UGH! I'm sorry she doesn't feel good. 
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10/15/10, 07:46 PM
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~smiles~ First, I would know a little more about her. Is she bred? Is she in milk? Has she shown signs of being in heat?
Information, mi amiga! 
Without said information, all I can say is that it is part of the Evil Goat Plan to drive all goat keepers from simply "crazy" to "drooling catatonic".
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10/15/10, 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by CaliannG
~smiles~ First, I would know a little more about her. Is she bred? Is she in milk? Has she shown signs of being in heat?
Information, mi amiga!
Without said information, all I can say is that it is part of the Evil Goat Plan to drive all goat keepers from simply "crazy" to "drooling catatonic". |
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10/15/10, 08:03 PM
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Heh Heh, alrighty.
She is a 6 yr old Alpine doe, not pregnant, not in milk.
She browses 2.5 acres with her 4 yr old wether-son and has free-choice access to the horses' coastal round bale. She has free choice access to a garden shed bedded with straw and the goat minerals & baking soda are inside where the horses can't get at them.
She gets 2 cups of 12% protein haystretcher pellets and 1/2 cup of BOSS twice per day.
Her last CD&T was 2 years ago. She has never been even slightly off ever before. Amazing for a 6 yr old goatie!!
She is a FATTIE, extremely efficient, good browser which is why she is off of Alfalfa pellets and onto the less-nutritive haystretcher pellets. (tho the BOSS brings her protein + fat back up, tee hee)
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10/15/10, 08:06 PM
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Oh, I hate when they're "off" and none of the symptoms seems to add up. I'd think you couldn't go wrong with a shot of a good fortified Vitamin B.
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10/15/10, 08:17 PM
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<wiping drool with personalized drool rag> What?
If she's in heat or preggers, that could do it. Trub gets ADR (Ain't Doin' Right) when her hormones are fluctuating.
Of course, she could have conked her coconut a good one. Are her eyes tracking? Pupils reactive to light? Eyes tracking properly?
Offer her an Asian pear. If she refuses that, there's a disturbance in The Force.
(of course, this is all speculation w/o more info...)
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10/15/10, 08:19 PM
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Dang. How did I miss the other posts? Oh, b/c I had this open and then went to answer another post...
Yeah, I'd hit her with B complex, maybe make sure she didn't get into something that she shouldn't have...
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10/15/10, 08:29 PM
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Yep I agree with the B complex~
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10/15/10, 08:57 PM
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Another vote for the B vitamins. That is what I would do.
If that fails to cure her ADR, I'd see about checking her copper levels.
On the mineral you give, is the copper in the form of copper sulfate or copper oxide?
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10/15/10, 09:21 PM
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She gave Thiamine.... which is Vit B if I'm not mistaken???
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10/15/10, 10:09 PM
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Yes, I gave 2cc SQ of Thiamine, which is vitamin B-1. It supports rumen function...
She is overdue for a copper bolus; I ordered them from a woman here in FL who measures them out for you and ships them cheap, but I have not yet dosed her.
Tommorrow am, I will hit her with more Thiamine & Nutri-Drench and bolus her, too.
Might as well steal a cud from her son while I'm at it....
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10/15/10, 10:40 PM
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If it's you're average adult dairy goat, Copasure makes boluses for calves starting at 150lbs. For my big girls, I just got those and bypassed the weighing for adults.
The thiamine is good - the best goatie band-aid. Is the haystretcher pellet full of grain?
What's her body temp? One quick fix for possible rumen acidosis is change her bedding out and give her fresh straw. Not hay, but wheat-gold-brown, grassy straw. They eat the leafy part, and the carbon gives the rumen bacteria something to chew on, and balance any acidity. Heats them up, too, so if her temp's low high-carbon straw will kick that internal compost pile in her rumen into producing more heat.
If she's fat, and on a low calcium (non alfalfa) diet, is she getting enough calcium? Is she milking? What salt/minerals does she have?
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10/16/10, 09:29 AM
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Might as well steal a cud from her son while I'm at it....
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That is what I was thinking. Also, don't rule out pneumonia too quick. Sometimes it doesn't show outward signs.
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10/16/10, 11:49 AM
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Weather is crazy. Worms are on overload. Wormed ours last month...dry here. Checked last week, after the wet weather and they were killing my goats. Vet said the dry weather put the eggs in stand by and the rain hatched them all out at once. Nasty HC things.
Fecal ASAP. Ours went down like you described and we lost 3 during treatment, could have been much worse.
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10/17/10, 05:46 PM
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How is she doing?
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10/17/10, 09:31 PM
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Well, I keep eyeing her, and she keeps eyeing me, an we're both still breathing. So, so far, so good. 
Seriously, I think the worming was right-on, just in the nick of time. I caught her wagging her tail out of the corner of my eye whe she thought I couldn't see her.. 
I am still "on alert" for sub-clinical pneumonia, so we'll see....
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10/17/10, 11:00 PM
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Glad there seems to be some improvement!
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10/18/10, 02:48 PM
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Many people "check gums" for color. When you are checking for anemia you do not check the gums, you check the inside of the lower eyelid. The gums in a severly anemic goat will still be pink.
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