Do you have to dump milk if your doe is CL/CAE positive?

[TSYORK]

First of all, I know how some folks on here get they undies in a wad rather quickly when talking about subjects that are near and dear to them. I am not attempting to start a thread that one of the Mod's is going to have to lock down because folks don't know how to use their manners. Here's the question I'm asking: Is it safe to consume milk from a CL/CAE postive doe, or does it need to be dumped? Please don't get political with your responses. I just want to know the answer to the question.

Thanks,

[southerngurl]

Short answer yea probably. Unless there is an abscess bust in the udder, which I don't know if that's a real possibility or not.

You can also pastuerize it or if you don't want to do that, a squirt of colloidal silver in a gallon would probably be a good idea. Please don't feed it to anyone without their knowledge!

But I wouldn't want to get close enough for milk it

[Alice In TX/MO]

CL can be passed to humans, so I'd butcher a CL positive animal.

CAE is not passed to humans. You can use milk from CAE positive animals, but I'd pasteurize it.

That's just me.

I'm sure there are other opinions.

[Jay27]

I would think that 'back in the day' many people consumed it... who knows whether they had problems or not, but since it still isn't mainstream knowledge, I'd say it is probably ok.

[Kshobbit]

I would think that 'back in the day' many people consumed it. Yes Jay27, we didn't know much about those diseases. I never drank milk from a goat with an abscess because none of my goats had them. Later on when some were "given" to me I kept them quarrantined and took them to auction as fast as possible. I bought 2 Nubians at a meat goat breeders auction to be told later that the breeder knew they were CAE positive. Like meat goat raisers wanted CAE positive stock! I was really upset and took them to auction too.

[PotBellyPigs]

Originally Posted by Kshobbit

I would think that 'back in the day' many people consumed it. Yes Jay27, we didn't know much about those diseases. I never drank milk from a goat with an abscess because none of my goats had them. Later on when some were "given" to me I kept them quarrantined and took them to auction as fast as possible. I bought 2 Nubians at a meat goat breeders auction to be told later that the breeder knew they were CAE positive. Like meat goat raisers wanted CAE positive stock! I was really upset and took them to auction too.

So basically, you're saying, that YOU reintroduced sick stock, BACK to where they came from?
And NOW, it has BECOME somebody elses problem?
Sounds to me that you're no better than the folks you bought them from.....
Just sayin'.

[Kshobbit]

Where else do you take culls but to an auction? I can't keep them and shooting them and burying the body is out of the question around here.
I do take them to the auctions that everyone else has taken their culls to, not a breeding stock auction so the "penhookers' or meat buyers get them.
Shoot, if you have a better idea let me know, but my goats are all healthy. I didn't breed those animals I bought the Nubians, and was given the CL goats so the former owners could be all smug about getting rid of them to a dummy ie sucker like me. I learned better after awhile. I have been raising goats since 1976 and never sold an unhealthy goat to an unsuspecting person and never will. Elder B.E. Sallee of Jesus Way Goats in Tennessee was my hero about being very honest about your goats when selling them.

[Natural Beauty Farm]

CL can be in the udder, so no I would not drink the milk.
CAE milk can be drunk, most pasteurize it first....just in case. But it is too risky to ever let a goat kid around to drink some. It is also a pain in the butt to run two herds, tape teats, worry about contamination and get into conversations with buyers when you are trying to get a name for your herd, about why there are positive does on the property. I do not recommend it for any newbie.

[TSYORK]

I see where Biopryn offers CAE testing, but where can you get a goat tested for CL?

[Alice In TX/MO]

I understand that the blood tests for CL are not reliable.

[TSYORK]

Originally Posted by Alice In TX/MO

I understand that the blood tests for CL are not reliable.

So, just do a CAE test, and if it comes back negative, rock on?

[Lizza]

My vet told me CL tests are not worth doing. If you get a lump, take the animal to the vet, have the vet lance it, and have the puss tested.

For your first CAE test I also recommend your first test being done at the vet (mine charged $35 per animal), have the vet show you how to draw blood, and then after you can send it off yearly yourself (I use Washington State University). Pay close attention the directions for sending the samples in.

[Alice In TX/MO]

Yes, CAE test, if negative, then forge ahead!
Some folks test for Johnes and Brucellosis, too. I don't.

I use Biotracking for the CAE testing.

www.biotracking.com for instructions, shipping info, etc.

[suzyhomemaker09]

When you mention taking positive animals to an auction and then say

Originally Posted by Kshobbit

Where else do you take culls but to an auction? I can't keep them and shooting them and burying the body is out of the question around here.
I do take them to the auctions that everyone else has taken their culls to, not a breeding stock auction so the "penhookers' or meat buyers get them.
Shoot, if you have a better idea let me know, but my goats are all healthy. I didn't breed those animals I bought the Nubians, and was given the CL goats so the former owners could be all smug about getting rid of them to a dummy ie sucker like me. I learned better after awhile. I have been raising goats since 1976 and never sold an unhealthy goat to an unsuspecting person and never will.

Well that there is just a contradiction in terms. I've been to many auctions and have never heard it said that an animal was positive for a disease.

[Pony]

Originally Posted by suzyhomemaker09

When you mention taking positive animals to an auction and then say



Well that there is just a contradiction in terms. I've been to many auctions and have never heard it said that an animal was positive for a disease.

The way I read it, she essentially said that she disclosed the goat's status at the barn.

Maybe they run the sales differently in KS? <shrug>

[suzyhomemaker09]

Originally Posted by Pony

The way I read it, she essentially said that she disclosed the goat's status at the barn.

Maybe they run the sales differently in KS? <shrug>

Perhaps so...
I just know that auctions here are just that...they ask no questions...will put a scrapie tag on when you drop an animal off and Bob's yer uncle kind of thing.
Forgive me if I was harsh to judge the poster;s intent.
Just knowing that I've bought animals at auctions for my kids when I knew no better and inevitably ended up with heartbreak it just hits me hard to see an attitude that someone else once burned would do so to another.

[mekasmom]

On a CAE positive goat, you can drink it raw if you like. On a CL positive goat, you would want to pasturize it at the very least or dump it if you are squeamish.
On either CAE or CL positive goats, you want to take off the kids and bottle feed them clean raw milk if you are planning to raise them to keep. If you just have buckling you want to eat, then leaving it on Mom for a few months is Ok until you butcher him.

[mekasmom]

Originally Posted by Kshobbit

I bought 2 Nubians at a meat goat breeders auction to be told later that the breeder knew they were CAE positive. Like meat goat raisers wanted CAE positive stock! I was really upset and took them to auction too.

Most meat goats sold at auction go to chivo dealers around here, so it would be appropriate to take them to auction if you didn't want them. CAE wouldn't personally bother me unless the goat was showing enough symptoms to be uncomfortable. You can drink the milk and eat the meat safely.

[Creamers]

Yes. You can drink milk, as everyone said, from a CAE goat. Not an issue to humans.

Auctions/sale barns are not a place real breeders who are ever going care about CAE or CL buy from. They are traders, meat buyers or uneducated pet buyers. I don't have an issue with people taking those animals that are positive for either to an auction. People do not go to auctions who want a background disclosure on an animal of any sort.

THAT all said. . . I've never bought from one. I never sell at them. I CAE test my whole herd. They are all, to date, negative.

[Feral Nature]

I have to say this: I would never knowingly sell a goat with CAE or CL or any illness. I would never send a sick goat to the auction or back to the auction. If I could not shoot it and bury it, I would slit it's throat and burn it. There you go.