Ethics question

[Cannon_Farms]

Is it unethical to sell a registered goat as unregistered for a lower price? Example if I had a doeling that I could sell either way but since Im having some problems with ags at the moment with lost papers (lost in rout to them or at there office) I just assume sell her without and take a third of the price as to hang onto her until that gets strait. I did offer her at registered price as they are being straitened out but with the preference not to even have to think of it again.

I know many breeders of all animals do this as means to downsize there herds without compromising there herd names by those who dont value the hard work or what not, but if you want the full glory of those bloodlines your going to pay.

I have a few goats here I could care less about papers on and thats how I bought them, there here to give milk and eat brush, but then theres the goats i put together for showing and breeding for more than and I paid dearly for them.

Have I just taken the way I have always done business as the norm and its not right or is it the norm?

[Alice In TX/MO]

I have registered goats, but have been known to sell them without papers for less. In my opinion, that's not a problem.

[Cannon_Farms]

btw this doeling is nice but still steals moms milk and shes due to kid soon otherwise I would hang onto her so its not a cull goat just one I need gone.

[Alice In TX/MO]

I think I'm glad you aren't closer. I would be tempted!

[Cannon_Farms]

I got friends moving to texas next week lol.. Her mom is my top milker (Nigerian). I have spent the last few hours second guessing myself.

[ozark_jewels]

Nope, not unethical in any way to sell a registered goat without the registration. As long as the buyer knows they are getting a grade doe, how could that possibly be wrong? It happens all the time.

[copperpennykids]

Again - do what makes you (and your buyer) happy. Recently read on some lists that breeders were adamant that you MUST sell with papers. Sorry - this is still the USA and folks can do what works for them. I may not do it that way, and that is okay. But certainly not going to insist that someone else do it my way!

Wanting to rant right about now, LOL. Do people not have enough to do that they want to run other peoples' lives? Guess they need a giant garden to go along with all of their goats - Just kidding. But different strokes for different folks!

[Bearfootfarm]

Is it unethical to sell a registered goat as unregistered for a lower price?

Not at all.
My registered $250 breeders are the same lambs I sell as $130 meat lambs.
I try to save the nicest ones for breeding stock, but if they aren't sold and someone wants to eat one, they get it at the meat price.

[jordan]

Originally Posted by Cannon_Farms

Is it unethical to sell a registered goat as unregistered for a lower price? Example if I had a doeling that I could sell either way but since Im having some problems with ags at the moment with lost papers (lost in rout to them or at there office) I just assume sell her without and take a third of the price as to hang onto her until that gets strait. I did offer her at registered price as they are being straitened out but with the preference not to even have to think of it again.

I know many breeders of all animals do this as means to downsize there herds without compromising there herd names by those who dont value the hard work or what not, but if you want the full glory of those bloodlines your going to pay.

I have a few goats here I could care less about papers on and thats how I bought them, there here to give milk and eat brush, but then theres the goats i put together for showing and breeding for more than and I paid dearly for them.

Have I just taken the way I have always done business as the norm and its not right or is it the norm?

You can sell your goats for whatever price you want! There is no right or wrong. I've given discounts and I've cut the price just to have one less animal to feed...

I am curious why you haven't been able to resove the paperwork issue though. Have you resubmitted the papers? If the doe was born and raised on your farm, you should have no problem doing that. If it's a doe you bought, you should be able to get the info or a sales memo from the breeder and send that in again. I've always found that AGS is willing to bend over backwards to help solve problems.
If you were dealing with ADGA, I could understand you not being able to get anything accomplished, but not AGS...
In the future though, I would recommend that you make copies of any paperwork you send to anyone, including sales memo's, registrations, service memo's, etc.
Lois

[goatkid]

I give people the choice all the time. Around here, most folks just want family milkers or a buck to freshen their does. Even most of those who purchased papered goats haven't bothered to transfer them into their name. I find this out when I check my goats on the ADGA site.

[Cannon_Farms]

I mailed the papers off several months ago, called about them and they say that they have not been recived. I had a hard time getting new bill of sales for some goats I had bought and a breeding memo since the person i bought them from is out of town, its not a huge deal just a pain in the butt. It took a long time to get in touch with AGS left several messages and emails before i was able to get a responce a couple weeks ago.

[Riverdale]

It is only unethical if you sell a grade doe as registered

[SLD Farm]

I echo Riverdale's comment.

I have some buyers that just want a goat to eat brush, I have some that want a 4H project, and I have some that want breeding stock. I have sold a goat without papers before and had one person come back later and want papers. I told them it was an extra $50 and they had no issue with paying.

If we breeders stick to a 1 price fits all in today's economy, we might not sell many goats.

[Slugmar]

Just because a goat could be registered doesn't meen it should be registered. Just as all bucks can bread but should you let them all stay intact and my answer to that is no.

[mickm]

Originally Posted by Cannon_Farms

Is it unethical to sell a registered goat as unregistered for a lower price? Example if I had a doeling that I could sell either way but since Im having some problems with ags at the moment with lost papers (lost in rout to them or at there office) I just assume sell her without and take a third of the price as to hang onto her until that gets strait. I did offer her at registered price as they are being straitened out but with the preference not to even have to think of it again.

I know many breeders of all animals do this as means to downsize there herds without compromising there herd names by those who dont value the hard work or what not, but if you want the full glory of those bloodlines your going to pay.

I have a few goats here I could care less about papers on and thats how I bought them, there here to give milk and eat brush, but then theres the goats i put together for showing and breeding for more than and I paid dearly for them.

Have I just taken the way I have always done business as the norm and its not right or is it the norm?

I wish you were closer, I would "un ethically" buy her very quickly!

No, I do not see that you are doing anything wrong.

[Cannon_Farms]

These are out of Little Tots Estate Acacia
Blue Eyed
DOB 2/08
1 x RCH
Sire: Woodhaven Farms Levi Legend
(Woodhaven Farms Leviathan
x Woodhaven Farms Fetching)

Dam: Little Tots Estate Mimulus
(PGCH/MCH/CH Little Tots Estate Tsuga x
Little Tots Estate Anemone)

and my doe who is out of rand mcnally lte Euphoria doe who is sired by swell swoop

[Cannon_Farms]

Oh and to boot shes got moonspots coming through.

[chickenista]

It is not unethical.. it is wonderful!
I could in no way afford a registered goat, but I can afford a high quality animal with no papers.
My 2 weathers (starter goats..am so getting more) come from super championship lines and I can see it when I look at them. Beautiful animals.
I cannot wait to get my unregistered does from the same type of Saanen bloodlines.
I can have quality animals that look fantastic and are going to milk out wonderfully at a price I can afford.

[Cannon_Farms]

I will have saanen kids this spring, there not show goats but good milkers that will be selling for more than reasonable. One does will be nicer than the others, body comformation they are nice goats just slight potential udder flaws. Im thinking 100 for the does and 50 for the bucks.

[Pony]

Originally Posted by Alice In TX/MO

I think I'm glad you aren't closer. I would be tempted!

Me, too!