Gimpy preggo all fours

[Goat Servant]

Doe gimps over for her grain, is due any day.
Eating fairly normal (alfalfa & loose minerals)
Normal temp. UDT on BoSe & CDT.
Has trouble getting up did not want to get up & walk around.
Started her on CMPK therapy a few hrs ago.
Put her in stall she talked to her hay while eating.
This will be her 5th kidding had to have CMPK last yr.
Anything else I could be doing?
Thanks for your help!

[nehimama]

I'm not sure what to advise, but I'm bumping this up, hoping a more experienced goatkeeper will chime in. Hope all goes well.

[nehimama]

Golly! Need to bump this up again so someone sees it and offers you some help.

[Backfourty,MI.]

I am not a pro by any means but when you say alfafa is that hay or pellets? You could always give her free choice alfafa pellets all day as well as the hay and minerals.

Sure hope someone else chimes in with some other ideas for you soon.
I'm wondering also what kind of mineral she's getting & if she's getting enough copper?

[RiverPines]

What do you mean by gimpy?
Here we use that term for meaning lame or crippled.

[Goat Servant]

Riverpines, it's like she's walking on eggshells.
Backfourty its free choice alfalfa & everyone gets free choice loose minerals for meat goats.
Thanks for bumping this up Nehimama!
Someone told me to discontinue the CMPK because it depletes the thiamine..anyone know about that?
I dont have ketosis strips; her legs & feet are not swollen for what it's worth.

[shiandpete.1]

How does her breath smell? Is it sweet and fruity? Does she appear to be carrying a large amount of kids? It could be ketosis, if her breath is really sweet, start her on propylene glycol and keep her hydrated and food in front of her all day.

[Goat Servant]

Breath smells normal. She got up for her grain. Made her chase me a minute for it.

[Laverne]

I'm no pro yet also but, here's something i copied ----
Grass Tetany in Peter Dunn's Goatkeeper's Vet Book-Hypomagnesaemia (Grass Tetany) means the condition of low blood magnesium. It is normally a problem of adult milking goats: it is not common. ... Three situations generally predispose; they are as follows: Lactating does grazing rapidly growing spring grass, heavty lactation, stress from poor weather (no shelter in the winter).
Treatment: Adminsitration of magnesium salts...They must be given in time as the disease can be rapidly fatal. Magnesium sulphate is normally given under the skin but occasionally IV.

With all of the lush grass we're having just thought this might be a possibility, if she's been out grazing.

Some people put magnesium sulfate, epsom salts, out like free choice baking soda.

If she did this before maybe she'll be all right with your treatment that was successful last year.
Maybe you should put this up in emergency so Vicki will see this for an opinion.

[nehimama]

I'm so glad you're getting some input on your problem. I hope the kidding goes well. Please keep us posted, okay?

[Goat Servant]

Had to come in for coffee. Spent the night with her just because I could. The only move she made was a big circle.
Woke up she had her neck stretched fwd flat on the floor kind of freaked me out.
Definite positioning going on. She is a morning person so maybe in a few hrs.

[mpete]

Keep us posted!!!!!!

[copperpennykids]

Just saw this - sorry Nancy.

This doe has all the signs of KETOSIS! She needs to be getting the CMPK at least every 4 hours. 30ccs alternate sides with her symptoms yesterday.

Walking on eggshells, classic symptom of ketosis. Swollen legs and pasterns also signifies a metabolic problem (Ketosis, Hypocalcemia). If she goes into labor, give her the CMPK every 2-3 hours, depending on how the labor is progressing. If she is still eating well, you may not need to drench with propylene glycol/molasses/corn syrup stuff.

I have never heard that CMPK interferes with thiamine absorption, but giving her some fortified b-complex would be a good idea anyway. 6ccs subQ.
If you have the regular b-complex I would go with 10-12 ccs SubQ. Good for stress and helps increase the appetite.

If this doe had problems last year she is more likely to do it again. Another reason to get really proactive here.

Had a fellow call me a few months ago with similar problems including the sign of it looked like her flesh was melting away from her spine - gave him essentially the same advice, including the drenching as she wouldn't eat her grain. He went to a really good goat vet we have around here and that vet had him giving 60ccs of CMPK every 2 hours for 12 hours, then reduced it to 30ccs every 3 hours. She made a very quick comeback - and then proceeded to have quad buck kids (heavy load of kids makes any goat suspectible to ketosis/hypocalcemia).

Let us know how she is doing.

[Goat Servant]

Thank you Camille! SHe's back on the cmpk a shot of the B she ate most of her grain then we went for a short walk out to the rasberry patch.
The thiamine thing threw me for a loop, even tho my guts told me it is hogwash.

[Pony]

Again, no expert here, but if she's carrying a heavy load, and her "wheels" aren't rated for it, that could make her walk carefully.

Trub was down most of the time for the last 2 weeks of her pregancy. Big as a house -- no, big as a BARN.

We did administer CMPK because she was so ginormous, and knew that she was giving it her all, and wanted to head off an eclampsia. It helped to perk her up immediately.

She delivered really good sized quads. Gave her more CMPK after the delivery (gave her another 60cc, should have only used 30, but she has since forgiven me).

[Goat Servant]

Laverne thanks for the good info!

Miss B isnt overly huge but we did have this problem last yr a few days before kidding.
Learned today that its something to always be on the look out for especially if it has happened before. She has always tripped out for us.

Anyhow I made her some alflafa & rasberry leaf tea laced with blackstrap molasses & karo to drench with. Camille you have been an incredible help!
She seems to have perked up somewhat.
Im hoping she will kid by tomorrow (full moon) if not I will contact vet for further meds.

[where I want to]

Sounds to me that the CMPK is what she need. You probably should look for a slow labor on her part and be ready to assist. She may seem to be done as she might not have the strength to push the last one out.
Even if she is not large, multiples seem to cause this a lot- at least the ones that I have had trouble with this have had 4.
I hope everything goes well for her. Good luck- getting her the CMPK will be a real help for her delivery.
BTW I have given the CMPK orally quite successfully if you need to do that.

[Goat Servant]

Quads all by herself early this am one DOA. Does not appear to have any colostrum, has not been drinking or eating much the last few days.
I have no colostrum.

[where I want to]

Originally Posted by Goat Servant

Quads all by herself early this am one DOA. Does not appear to have any colostrum, has not been drinking or eating much the last few days.
I have no colostrum.

I have raised kids on colostrum gel without problem. Not as good as mom's but kids that got it are now raising their own. I would get it into them asap, although she may yet produce for you.
Re: I would still dose her with the CMPK- I have only done it orally so can't say about injections but the oral perked up my girls just fine.
I also use a calcium booster (CAL-C-Fresh but I think that's more or less a light version of CMPK.) She probably could use an energy drink too. Any water you can get into her will help- this is a case where I use a couple of doses of poly glycol too. But only a couple.
Those quads take a lot out of even the biggest girls.

[Goat Servant]

Thanks, she gotsome Calcuim Drench have been massaging her udder cant get even a squirt.
Gave kids nutra drench for now, am waiting for call from goat dairy if she has any colostrum will send dh out for colostrum gel this stuff is made for goats?