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Old 05/07/10, 07:11 PM
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So I am really hoping for a bit of good advise here...I am visiting my sister here in hot ol' Texas, she just got three Alpine goats. They were at a fairly nice place when she got them, although they were 'rescued' prior to that home. One of the does has what appears to be mites, although we haven't sen any live bugs, her skin has bite marks, and is red in parts and irritated. We are dusting her and dealing with the mites..(we hope) So the problem is her ears...when we looked in her ears, there were brown round looking things, I had no idea what to think, so I figured we could flush them out and clean them. Then I stuck my finger inside to get a feel of the whatevers...and as I pulled my finger out...out came what appeared to be a tick lookin thing..big ol nasty lookin thing!!~!
We are gonna pick them out once our stomaches settle..but I am really hoping someone on here has a clue and can give us an idea what to do, and possibly prevent it from happening again...???
Thanks so much in advance!!!

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Old 05/07/10, 10:25 PM
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We have TONS of ticks around here. We can't walk through tall grass without getting covered in them. I usually end up picking two or more off of me while I sleep. SICK! They're disgusting I know. You're supposed to wear rubber gloves when you pull them off as they can carry lime disease and rocky mountain fever. This is my first spring with goats and I was very concerned with how I'd keep ticks away without chemicals if possible, but we have 20 chickens that LOVE to scratch around for ticks in the goat pen and I haven't noticed a problem yet. The dogs, who aren't allowed anywhere near the chickens, on the other hand are covered in them. My advice is get some chickens! They turn ticks into a protein source and in turn give you eggs and meat! Guineas are supposed to be VERY good for tick control, but are loud and obnoxious. Turkeys are also good to keep ticks eaten down.

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Old 05/08/10, 06:44 AM
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You don't have to wear rubber gloves when you remove them, as the tick has to bit you for you to get any of the diseases they may carry.

We have ticks here in southern Missouri, and although I see them crawling on the goats when we go for browse walks, I rarely find one actually imbedded/biting a goat.

I'd put mineral oil in the goats' ears to get those ticks to back out.

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Old 05/11/10, 11:37 PM
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I have read here I think it was last year that you can use Frontline or Fronline Plus on your goats with no problems & will get rid of or keep ticks off them. I think Minelson may have more info on it though. She works at a vet's office & if I remember correctly I think she asked him about it.

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Old 05/11/10, 11:46 PM
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Not sure about using Front Line on a dairy goat if she plans on milking. Be sure to check and see if there is a milk withdraw time.

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Old 05/11/10, 11:50 PM
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Good thinking Nancy, I forgot about maybe a milk withdrawl period from it. Maybe Minelson will know that too, or your vet. I forgot all about that.

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Old 05/12/10, 07:51 AM
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Funny my neighbor was talking about her dog bringing ticks in the house. I have 35 or 37 chickens all various ages right now and so far haven't notice any ticks on any of my animals (knock on wood) my chickens free range the whole property.

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Old 05/12/10, 03:18 PM
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Chickens and guineas are good to help keep ticks down. Unfortunately guineas wonder widely; so they may keep ticks off some place other than yours.

I have never had ticks so badly as I do this year. Have rarely found one biting our Nubians until now. Recently I separated the bucks from the does, placing the bucks in their buck house (back part of property but still only short walking distance and very visable) with open access to 2 acres of orchard grass. Last night while checking them over befor locking them up for the night, I found many, many ticks (all sizes at the time) actually biting both bucks, especially around leg joints and lower sides. Even found some around upper neck and near ears and eyes. I spent over an hour picking them off & rubbing some "Nitrofurazone Dressing" on areas. (Have only used this NFL on cuts & abrasions before this; so have no idea if it will help. Just could tell it was soothing to them as I put it on. Also, while rubbing it in, I noticed many ticks letting go and coming off, seemingly dead.)

I am still concerned about this many ticks eating on my bucks. The oldest buck even had many down around both sides of his testicals (not on but near and on inner leg). Am wondering if "Seven Dust" rubbed into their hair might discourage sucking. Am certainly going to try it.

If anyone has had bad tick areas on goats and cured/stopped it from getting worse, I would like to hear about what you did. (About all I know to do is experiment.)

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Old 05/12/10, 04:05 PM
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I pour about an ounce of Ectiban down there back a couple of times a year. An old goat dairy lady put me on to it. Keeps the ticks off for about a month before you see any again. http://www.durvet.com/prods/ECTIBAN_...tailSheet.html

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Old 05/12/10, 04:15 PM
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Used to live in both Texas and Arizona, both of which have BAD tick problems.

We used to get tick collars and put them on the livestock's ankles...like little anklets, to discourage ticks.

I have to admit, though, that that was nearly two decades ago... and since I now live in Colorado and don't have such a tick problem, I have no idea what newer remedies might be.

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Old 05/12/10, 05:49 PM
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Coso I read what that site said about Ectiban and did not find any mention of how it might affect milk. Since you stated you have used it, can you shed some information about this?

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Old 05/12/10, 06:02 PM
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I use Permectrin II with good results.

I think one of my boys is allergic to ticks as every time he gets one, he develops a sore spot at the bite and the hair on that spot falls off. I used to think the spots were just from him scratching himself, but he gets them on areas he can't reach.

I hate ticks. Grr.

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Old 05/13/10, 09:11 AM
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The site says it is approved for lactating dairy cattle and goats. The lady that put me on to it sold milk to Jackson-Mitchell and they run test on the milk so I know there was no residual issues. The active ingredient is permethrin which is the same that is in the Permectin II and in Sevin Dust also.

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Old 05/13/10, 09:39 AM
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I just called my local stores and they did not carry Ectiban. Amy going to contact the site and see if they have local distributors anywhere near me.

Am wondering, since an ounce of it is "poured" down the goat's back, how does it get distributed to the goat's underbelly and neck where I am finding most of the ticks?

If sprayed on, should it be worked into the hair down to the skin like I do Seven Dust?

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Old 05/13/10, 09:54 AM
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I can't find it on the Durvet website either. They may have discontinued it. I know I bought a gallon this spring at the feed store. I have been using it for seven years. You may want to look at Beth W Permectrin II. Same active ingredient.

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Old 05/13/10, 02:31 PM
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I have read here I think it was last year that you can use Frontline or Fronline Plus on your goats with no problems & will get rid of or keep ticks off them. I think Minelson may have more info on it though. She works at a vet's office & if I remember correctly I think she asked him about it.
Yes, I did ask him and he said he didn't know. Frontline goes into the dermis (skin) only...not into the bloodstream. I don't have problems with ticks on my goats for some odd reason. The dogs and us humans have them! I find them everywhere...just had one crawling on my foot sitting here at the computer.
The Permectrin II is a great product. It is 10.0% Permethrin.
Ectiban is 5.7% Permethrin from what I found on the internet.

I use PermecrtinII as a fly spray at the rate of 2.5 CC per quart of water. It's some strong stuff...little bottle goes a long way. Now I'm curious again if frontline would work on goats...so I will investigate that
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Old 05/13/10, 07:14 PM
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Minelson, what critters do you spray with your mix?

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Old 05/13/10, 07:26 PM
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I've never seen a tick on a goat - not even crawling ON them. Not saying it NEVER happens but IMO, not worth worrying about. Not sure if that would vary by region/tick species. I have seen LICE on goats. In cold weather, I use a livestock dust - permethrin is the drug, if I recall. In summer, I've found that bathing them with flea and tick dog shampoo works great. Of course, these are mini meat goat breeding stock (not intended for meat themselves), not dairies. You might have other considerations with a doe in milk.

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Old 05/13/10, 09:32 PM
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Minelson, what critters do you spray with your mix?
I have used it on the horses. And I spray the dogs with it before going out on trails during tick season. It's a repellent where Frontline is not. So Frontline kills the tick, but the tick has to bite them first so they can still bring them into the house...which they do. This time of year, if I take them out on the trails without a repellent they could easily have hundreds of ticks on them from bounding through the tall grass. So I use Frontline Plus, and either keep them off the trails or spray them with horse spray. It gets better when it heats up in June.
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Old 05/13/10, 09:34 PM
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Also, I did call Merial (Frontline) and asked about using it on goats. He said they only recommend it on dogs and cats and any other animal would be using it off label. I'll ask the Merial rep next time he is in at the vet...I know he works with large animals too so maybe he will know.

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