Help... My goat has eattin mtn Laurel, and is so sick

[christie]

My Faivorit doe has gotten loose today when I wasn't home.We have been working on clearing it out and burning it, but thereis sooo much of it!!! Yeah for our state flower.

She is vomittingand moaning. Its horrible. I lwent to fiascos website and Molly had a rhodedendron antidote.
{ Mtn Laurel is a rhodedendrom {sp.} }
Anyhow there were 2 recipes I used the 2nd 1, I had all those ingreidients. and I drenched her.
has anyone used these antidotes before?
Do they work?
How often should I do them?
Is there anything else I should or souldn't be doing?
gave warm water, hay. her yearling doe is with her, and had to feed her her ration. Sick dow didn't eat any, didn't want too.
I pray she'll be okay.

not sure how to restrain her to drench her adequatly either. I put her on the stanchion. but with the puking and shaking she wouldn't let me hold her head. I was afraid of drownding her. I did get most in her, but shes been puking...antidote doesn't say anything else or how often to do it either.
going to check onher before bed.

[fishhead]

If you haven't given her activated charcoal I would do it now. You can buy it at the pharmacy or in the pet (fish) dept of Walmart.

Good luck!

[ozark_jewels]

I'm sorry, I have never dealt with this problem before. Anytime I suspect poisoning I use activated charcoal to bind the toxins and mineral oil to help it pass through faster.
As for drenching, for future reference, you can buy a calf drencher and its the perfect size for tubing adult goats. The tube goes down into their stomach.
Wishing you and your doe the best!!

[chamoisee]

I would get her to the vet ASAP. Mountain Laurel is extremely poisonous.

[christie]

The doeling is sick too!! Though my Julie is not puking anymore , but constantly chewing and grinding her teeth. Do you think she's through the thick of it?? Should I gived her more antidote?
The poor doeling can only lean against the stall. Her whole body reches while vomiting... its aweful to see them go threw this. I just gave her the remedy.
I don't have activated charcoal... to late to get it now.
If there alive tomorrow should I get some. I ll call the vet then too. I can't leave either I have 2 toddlers and a newborn. Plus emergency hospital would be way to much $$ for us rite now.
As for drenching.. I guess I didn't drench them.. wrong terminology. I would definetly drown them if I had to tube drench her. I am using a syringe. I do have a small tube that came with the syringe that say urinary catheter. I figeure that would be to stomach tube them. butut they won't let me hold there head to put a syringe in never mind tring to get the tube down the rite pipe...I wish I new how!!! Syringing it makes them gag.

I am so mad at myself... We just moved the goats here. But I don't trust to leave them out unattended being a new surroundings. I alweays bring them in. But the weatherman is calling for rain the whole weekend so I weanted them to be out as long as possible today. You think I would learn now to play iy safe if your coincience is making you think twice.
Pray for my girls.. My son is going to be so sad if they don't pull through. We had to put my horse down before we moved here..{old age}, and he's just over that.

[farmmom]

One of the does I have now got into mtn laurel a few years ago when my folks still had her. She recieved no treatment as we didn't know what to give her and we didn't know any vet that would come out for a goat. I was sure she would die overnight, but the next morning was up on her feet looking for her feed.

I sure hope yours pull through!

[christie]

Praying she does!!

[Native87]

I also hope the best. Please keep us informed. I too suggest charcoal and mineral oil. Big thing is to make sure they have plenty of water. The vomiting is a bad dehydrater. You may need to give B vitamin shots for energy and healing also. I hope they are still with you this morning.

[Minelson]

I hope they are better this morning...hugs to you, this sounds just awful

[ozark_jewels]

Originally Posted by christie

As for drenching.. I guess I didn't drench them.. wrong terminology. I would definetly drown them if I had to tube drench her. I am using a syringe. I do have a small tube that came with the syringe that say urinary catheter. I figeure that would be to stomach tube them. butut they won't let me hold there head to put a syringe in never mind tring to get the tube down the rite pipe...I wish I new how!!! Syringing it makes them gag.

Actually, if you can get the calf drencher(a plastic container with a long plastic tube attached to the lid), that is the absolute safest way to drench/tube them. The syringe and catheter you describe is for kids and is not long enough for adults. The calf drencher costs about $9.00-$15.00 depending on where you get it. It has saved several goats for me.
Hope they made it for you!

[garyh141]

We drench with a needleless syringe all the time. For those who are stubborn, you just have to grab their head and make them take it. We then comfort them and tell them what a good girl (boy) they were.

Get some activated charcoal and keep on hand all the time. It's cheap enough. Also, I would give them Fortified Vitamin B Complex, Probios or Yogart (with live cultures) and Electrolytes to keep her energy and hydration levels up. If you can't afford it right now, there is another goat board that has home remedies (using stuff you have on hand). Private Message me and I will redirect you to it.

Ground Cinnamon (like you have in your kitchen pantry) works when they have stomach pain.

The yearling doe probably watched mama and ate the same things. Watch them closely.

How are they doing this morning?

Sandra

[christie]

Yes they made it!! Thanks for the prayers. Last night they both started vomiting again. And I could hear her srceeming all night long. I couldn't even go in the barn this mourning, I madew my husband. He comes In and says their alive!!
So I went out lade new straw down cause they are very weak and shivering.
Gave new hay and warm water and a handful of grain for the 2 to share. They just nibbled at it.
I called the vet he said to get activated charcoal anda B complex shot.
How much Vit B should I give them?
HAve have pro Bios.. sould they have that eventually?
Just hoping the worst is over!!
Hubby is out cutting more mtn Laurel down as we speak. it everywhere all the woods around us has it. So no matter what if they get loose, they can always find it.
Do you think after tonight they learned they're lesson? Or are they dumb enough to try it again?

[garyh141]

Vit B -- 1 cc per 20 lbs (drench or subq)

Probios -- I would give now, but you will need to give again tomorrow also.

I would withhold the grain for a day, only give them lots of hay. Also something for energy/dehydration (electrolytes, Bounce Back, whatever you give your does after they have kidded)

Again, cinnamon will help with the pain. You can mix it with the yogart/Probios and drench it (we just use a 6 or 12 ml syringe) -- cinnamon mixed in 1tsp

Nutridrench would help (it has vitamins in it).

Baking soda helps to readjust the acidity levels. You can mix dry with some liquid and drench her.

I can see right now, you are going to get lots of practise at drenching HA!

Glad they are somewhat better. They appear to be over the hump but continue to monitor them.

Sandra

[garyh141]

Weak and shivering -- they need energy (electrolytes). If you don't have anything like that, use Karo syrup or molasses in their warm water.

Sandra

[christie]

I am off to get my supplies.
Thanks everybody, I'll keep you posted.
I can only syringe the ingredients now, since I don't have a stomach tube for drenching, and I need to learn to do that eventually.

[4piecesof8]

Christie, I am so happy that both of your goats seem to be recovering. I keep Karo syrup on hand all the time..Just in case, for our dogs and goats. I learned about Karo when I was showing horses and sometimes new tasting water source they wouldn't want to drink. added a bit of Karo and that made enough difference to get them to drink.

Best Wishes

[Alice In TX/MO]

Do *not* expect the goats to relate being sick to eating Mountain Laurel.

[ozark_jewels]

If you are giving small amounts of liquids, yes, a needlesless syringe works wonderfully. If you are dealing in larger amounts(1/2 gallon on up), the calf tuber will save you much stress to both the goat and you.
I once kept a full-size buck alive for two weeks on nothing but what I could tube into him several times a day, liquids, nutrients, etc.
It is something I won't be without.
Good to hear the goats are doing better!!
I too, would hold off on the grain for now, just giving them access to good hay and fresh water.
You cannot overdose on Vitamin B, they will just pee out what their body cannot use. So don't afraid of overdosing them on B.

[Native87]

Very glad to hear all is better. Still keep us informed please.

[christie]

Here's the update...
I gave them b complex sub q. And electrlytes in there water. Noticed they weren't drinking so I syringed them the electrolytes w/ some cinamon in it. and gave them some pro bios too. When I put plain warm water in their the older doe was drinking it.
The older doe is doing much better still not eating, she picks a little at her hay.
The yearling is still dry heaving. I think there is nothing for her to vomit up cause she isn't drinking or eatting. I am going out now to syringe her some more electrolytes. If she is vomiting I'll give her more of the antidote.. otherwise she is better. We have had the heat on in the barn today too.
how often and for how long should I keep giving them the vit. B? Should I keep giving giving them the electolytes via the syringe?