have a goat down question

[roc-n-goats]

3 year old buck-nubian

He wobels when he stands and walks.
Acts like he's lame.
Found him down and kicking like he's dying.
Also grinding teeth.
Berries were tied together like a hair ball-string of pearls better idea.

Eye lids bright red -dewormed yesterday, when this all started.

Any ideas?

Bruce

[thaiblue12]

What is his temp?
What did you worm him with and what was the doseage?

[jBlaze]

What sort of de-wormer? (and dose) is the question that comes to my mind.

Will he drink water?

[fishhead]

What has he been eating?

It sounds like something is causing him pain.

[roc-n-goats]

dewormer= safe guard 2 ml

temp normal

free rangeing goat, has access to anything in the woods and around the house.
Includes trash-this is my neighbors goat-they have lots of dogs,chickens, and cats. They are what I would call white trash, their
place is an eye sore. I try to help when I can because he's a disabled vet
and she's(the daughter) one card short of a full deck.

bruce

[Alice In TX/MO]

So, he hasn't been dewormed. Safeguard is ineffective against most worms except tapeworms. Then, it's used at about five times the label dose.

Might be meningeal worm, might be thiamine deficiency, might be urinary stones.

Have you taken his temperature?

Have you seen him urinate?

[jBlaze]

Safeguard for goats?
(they make safeguard for several species, formulated a bit differently, so I just thought I would ask.)

[garyh141]

I would give him some Fortified Vit B Complex (or Thiamine subQ). Whatever is wrong with him, head off the other issues he might get from being sick. Is he stargazing? This and the wobbly could be signs of goat polio, which the Vit B is a must immediately.

Teeth grinding is a sign of pain most times. Does he appear to be bloated?

Check his hooves for something that might have gotten stuck and also check his hoof situation (do they need trimmed really badly?). Possibly founder?

If his eyes lids are bright red, other than lungworm or the menengial worm, he is probably not in need of worming. However, lungworm he would have a cough (not mentioned in his symptoms above). Can't tell you about the menegial worm but do a search -- several people have talked about it on the forum and you would get a better idea of symptoms and solutions that someone else has already discussed at length.

Alice had asked about his being able to pee but you didn't have time to answer yet before I posted -- Possibly urinary calculi?

Those are just some other ideas from another source.
Sandra

[Minelson]

I would give Banimine for the pain. Grinding teeth means pain.

[susanne]

do you have white tail deer?
could be meningeal worm.

[Backfourty,MI.]

I'm wondering about CD & T vaccinations, has he had his or up to date on his yearly shot?

Isn't the laying on the ground & kicking, can't get up, etc. a sign of clostridial perifrigens?(I know I just destroyed the spelling on those 2 words, sorry.)

[LomahAcres]

Did it start after the worming? Could be he had high level of tapes and the wormer is all making them abandon ship too fast to handle? I believe you would see them in the fecals though. Or it could be bloat/entero - Clostridium perfringens type C & D antitoxin either way. Even if it's not what you're dealing with, I don't think it will hurt. You'd need to act fast though if it is enrto it kills quickly.

Started just yesterday - was there anything else done besides worming? Anything new in the past few days or changes?

[roc-n-goats]

Nothing out of the ordinary in his life.
Saw him pee. No fever.
Don't know about shots CD&T.
Local vet says meni whatever worm rare west of Mississippi river.

Had a goat in my herd 3 yeras ago go throgh same thing, she died in
24 hours. This one I put down at the request of owner. No money for vet and tests and dad was gone with car at the time.

They have lost 3 horses this past year with sickness and accidents.

Seems most of their animals are malnutritinal.

Thanks for all the help.

Bruce

[Alice In TX/MO]

You local vet is mis-informed.

[Backfourty,MI.]

It's too bad it sounds like that these neighbors have any of these animals. If they aren't able to care for them & properly feed them it's really not fair to the animals.
I give you credit for trying to help them, I wouldn't be able to watch that kind of stuff going on. I would have a hard time not calling to turn them in.

[ozark_jewels]

It could have been so many different things or a combination of things. Certainly could have been menengial worm, as the vet is wrong on that being unlikely in your area. Too bad. Sounds like at that point the kindest thing you could have done is put him down. Sorry.