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Old 02/27/10, 12:40 PM
 
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Need help on buck please

1yr old buck sort of collapses in the rear now & then. Had BoSe a few months back. No does in with.
Will check him over more thoroughly shortly here. Any ideas very much appreciated.

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Old 02/27/10, 01:47 PM
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Any updates on him?

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Old 02/27/10, 02:23 PM
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please take his temperature, check color of eye membrane.
is he peeing and pooping normal?when was the last fecal check?
still eating and drinking normal?

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Old 02/27/10, 03:19 PM
 
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Temp normal gums & eyelids great, just trimmed feet. He seems weak in right rear hip. Gave him BoSe shot as well as his yrly CDT.
This boy was slow on finding his rear legs he was about 10mos old when I brought him a doe, did his job fine.
Can goats develop hip dysplesia? Couldnt find anything out of ordinary.
Peeing & pooping normally.

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Old 02/27/10, 06:26 PM
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could he have injured himself or got hit by another goat?
do you think he is in pain?

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Old 02/27/10, 06:46 PM
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Gosh I have no ideas but it sounds like he may have hurt himself or another goat butted him?

How's he doing tonight?

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He does have a wether in with him & they play. If he was injured I cant tell...he's not grinding his teeth. Nothing felt hot or out of the ordinary
Im still wondering about the possiblity of displesia?
I keep going back to the fact that he seemed to have trouble finding his rear legs a few months ago, he generally stood with sort of tucked rear end with rear legs a little too far under him (all this with regular feet trims)
He just seems weak on his right hip.
He grew pretty fast, looked like a pint size buck by about 6 mos.
At 3 mos "very correct on feet & legs" according to a judge.
So needless to say Im trying to figure this out.
Gets loose minerals quality grass hay & in the process of cutting down & out of grain.
Should he be getting alfalfa?
Is this a genetic problem, an injury a calcuim def? Wether is normal.

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Old 02/27/10, 07:00 PM
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I don't know if goats get hip displasia(sp?) or not but I guess it could be possible, hopefully someone else will have knowledge of that.

As for the alfafa, alot of folks feed there bucks & wethers alfafa pellets. If your feeding any grain & they were mine I would be giving them alfafa hay instead of grass hay.
The grain & grass hay I believe are all phosphorus & no calcium depending on what's in your grain & grass hay. You do give Ammonium Chloride on there grain or a feed with it in it?

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Old 02/27/10, 07:32 PM
 
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Thanks Backfourty, the grain is Boer Goat Developer with monensin "for prevention of cocci caused by elmeria crandallis, & e ninakohlyakimovae"
(all Greek to me just copied the feed tag)
My mentor feeds the BGD to all her growing goats as well as bucks who get grass hay.
No crystals in or around his pizzle.

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Old 02/27/10, 07:43 PM
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Sure hope you figure it out Goat Servant, I know it can be so frustrating! Keeping my fingers crossed for the both of you.

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Old 02/27/10, 07:50 PM
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Grain can sometimes lead to lameness.
Causes body to grow faster than muscles can develop.
I would not start him on Alfalfa right now.
Can give CMPK and Bo-Se vit AD and e capsule.
I would not lean towards anything like dysplasia.

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Thanks Natural Beauty.
Going to talk to mentor tomorrow & vet monday.

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Just a wondering thought.... Can goats get EPM? It is a parasite disease that lives in the spinal column, horses get it from racoon and possum poop. It causes weakness in the hind quarters.

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I don't know about EPM, but they can get meningeal worm from whitetail deer.

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Meningeal worm?

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Old 02/28/10, 09:14 AM
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He could also have a slipped/slipping disc. If he were mine, I'd try giving him some thiamine or fortified B complex for a few days until the vet saw him. Sure wouldn't hurt if he didn't need it.

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Old 02/28/10, 11:29 AM
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Just a wondering thought.... Can goats get EPM? It is a parasite disease that lives in the spinal column, horses get it from racoon and possum poop. It causes weakness in the hind quarters.

I don't see why they couldn't humans, squirrels, rabbits and every other animal I know of can. That is why it is so dangerous and no one should allow Raccoons to use their property as a latrine.

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Old 02/28/10, 12:01 PM
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Can someone explain EPM to me? I don't remember running across that term before.
Thanks
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Equine Protozoal Myeloencephalitis (EPM) is a master of disguise. This serious disease can be difficult to diagnose because its symptoms often mimic other health problems in the horse and signs can range from mild to severe.
As many as 50 percent of all horses in the United States may have been exposed to the organism that causes EPM. The causative organ is a protozoal parasite named Sarcocystis neurona. The disease is not transmitted from horse to horse. Rather, the protozoa are spread by the definitive host, opossums, which acquires the organism from infected birds. The infective stage of the organism, the sporocysts, are passed in the opossum's feces. Tne horse comes into contact with the infective sporacysts while grazing or eating contaminated feed or drinking water.
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Old 02/28/10, 04:10 PM
 
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Kim he got a B shot this am but he's about the same.
Yesterday he & wether got feet trim BoSe & CDT booster.
Checked ears, all clear
Natural Beauty thanks for the CMPK suggestion!! Will call vet tomorrow for some.
No deer come on our proprty LGDs scare em off. There's coons & possum around & plenty squirrels.
Feed pans get picked up shortly after each feeding & sanitized regularly, usually every day as he likes to stand with his front feet in them.
They dont eat off the ground.

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