Quantcast
Need help on buck please - Homesteading Today
Homesteading Today

Come enter the Lehman's Aladdin Lamp Giveaway!

Go Back   Homesteading Today > Livestock Forums > Goats


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread
  #1  
Old 02/27/10, 12:40 PM
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 4,170
Need help on buck please

1yr old buck sort of collapses in the rear now & then. Had BoSe a few months back. No does in with.
Will check him over more thoroughly shortly here. Any ideas very much appreciated.

__________________

Bob and Nancy Dickey
Laughing Stock Boer Goats
"Seriously Great Bloodlines"
and the meat goes on....
Near Seattle

Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 02/27/10, 01:47 PM
Rockytopsis's Avatar
A & N Lazy Pond Farm
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: East Tennessee
Posts: 3,328

Any updates on him?

__________________

A small Goat farm in East Tennessee
http://www.freewebs.com/rockytopsis/

Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 02/27/10, 02:23 PM
susanne's Avatar
Nubian dairy goat breeder
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: michigan
Posts: 4,465

please take his temperature, check color of eye membrane.
is he peeing and pooping normal?when was the last fecal check?
still eating and drinking normal?

__________________

Susanne Stuetzler
Ain-ash-shams
Nubian Dairy Goats

please visit us at
http://www.ain-ash-shams.net

Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 02/27/10, 03:19 PM
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 4,170

Temp normal gums & eyelids great, just trimmed feet. He seems weak in right rear hip. Gave him BoSe shot as well as his yrly CDT.
This boy was slow on finding his rear legs he was about 10mos old when I brought him a doe, did his job fine.
Can goats develop hip dysplesia? Couldnt find anything out of ordinary.
Peeing & pooping normally.

__________________

Bob and Nancy Dickey
Laughing Stock Boer Goats
"Seriously Great Bloodlines"
and the meat goes on....
Near Seattle


Last edited by Goat Servant; 02/27/10 at 03:22 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 02/27/10, 06:26 PM
susanne's Avatar
Nubian dairy goat breeder
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: michigan
Posts: 4,465

could he have injured himself or got hit by another goat?
do you think he is in pain?

__________________

Susanne Stuetzler
Ain-ash-shams
Nubian Dairy Goats

please visit us at
http://www.ain-ash-shams.net

Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 02/27/10, 06:46 PM
Katie
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Twining, Mi.
Posts: 19,399

Gosh I have no ideas but it sounds like he may have hurt himself or another goat butted him?

How's he doing tonight?

__________________
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 02/27/10, 06:47 PM
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 4,170

He does have a wether in with him & they play. If he was injured I cant tell...he's not grinding his teeth. Nothing felt hot or out of the ordinary
Im still wondering about the possiblity of displesia?
I keep going back to the fact that he seemed to have trouble finding his rear legs a few months ago, he generally stood with sort of tucked rear end with rear legs a little too far under him (all this with regular feet trims)
He just seems weak on his right hip.
He grew pretty fast, looked like a pint size buck by about 6 mos.
At 3 mos "very correct on feet & legs" according to a judge.
So needless to say Im trying to figure this out.
Gets loose minerals quality grass hay & in the process of cutting down & out of grain.
Should he be getting alfalfa?
Is this a genetic problem, an injury a calcuim def? Wether is normal.

__________________

Bob and Nancy Dickey
Laughing Stock Boer Goats
"Seriously Great Bloodlines"
and the meat goes on....
Near Seattle

Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 02/27/10, 07:00 PM
Katie
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Twining, Mi.
Posts: 19,399

I don't know if goats get hip displasia(sp?) or not but I guess it could be possible, hopefully someone else will have knowledge of that.

As for the alfafa, alot of folks feed there bucks & wethers alfafa pellets. If your feeding any grain & they were mine I would be giving them alfafa hay instead of grass hay.
The grain & grass hay I believe are all phosphorus & no calcium depending on what's in your grain & grass hay. You do give Ammonium Chloride on there grain or a feed with it in it?

__________________
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 02/27/10, 07:32 PM
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 4,170

Thanks Backfourty, the grain is Boer Goat Developer with monensin "for prevention of cocci caused by elmeria crandallis, & e ninakohlyakimovae"
(all Greek to me just copied the feed tag)
My mentor feeds the BGD to all her growing goats as well as bucks who get grass hay.
No crystals in or around his pizzle.

__________________

Bob and Nancy Dickey
Laughing Stock Boer Goats
"Seriously Great Bloodlines"
and the meat goes on....
Near Seattle

Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 02/27/10, 07:43 PM
Katie
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Twining, Mi.
Posts: 19,399

Sure hope you figure it out Goat Servant, I know it can be so frustrating! Keeping my fingers crossed for the both of you.

__________________
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 02/27/10, 07:50 PM
Natural Beauty Farm's Avatar
Flying Farm Nubians
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: SW-VA
Posts: 910

Grain can sometimes lead to lameness.
Causes body to grow faster than muscles can develop.
I would not start him on Alfalfa right now.
Can give CMPK and Bo-Se vit AD and e capsule.
I would not lean towards anything like dysplasia.

__________________
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 02/27/10, 11:04 PM
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 4,170

Thanks Natural Beauty.
Going to talk to mentor tomorrow & vet monday.

__________________

Bob and Nancy Dickey
Laughing Stock Boer Goats
"Seriously Great Bloodlines"
and the meat goes on....
Near Seattle

Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 02/28/10, 06:21 AM
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Northern Ontario
Posts: 1,713

Just a wondering thought.... Can goats get EPM? It is a parasite disease that lives in the spinal column, horses get it from racoon and possum poop. It causes weakness in the hind quarters.

__________________
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 02/28/10, 08:25 AM
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Montana
Posts: 2,131

I don't know about EPM, but they can get meningeal worm from whitetail deer.

__________________
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 02/28/10, 08:26 AM
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: northcentral MN
Posts: 13,699

Meningeal worm?

__________________

"Do you believe in the devil? You know, a supreme evil being dedicated to the temptation, corruption, and destruction of man?" Hobbs
"I'm not sure that man needs the help." Calvin

Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 02/28/10, 09:14 AM
KimM's Avatar
Student of goatology.
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Ohio
Posts: 3,130

He could also have a slipped/slipping disc. If he were mine, I'd try giving him some thiamine or fortified B complex for a few days until the vet saw him. Sure wouldn't hurt if he didn't need it.

__________________
Cloven Trail Farm
Lord help me be the person my dog thinks I am!

Ja-Lyn's Radio Flyer, aka "Rad" on his 17th birthday.
9/14/93 -12/3/10.
Rest peacefully my soulmate, I'll love you forever.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 02/28/10, 11:29 AM
Just Hanging On
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 291
Quote:
Originally Posted by jil101ca View Post
Just a wondering thought.... Can goats get EPM? It is a parasite disease that lives in the spinal column, horses get it from racoon and possum poop. It causes weakness in the hind quarters.

I don't see why they couldn't humans, squirrels, rabbits and every other animal I know of can. That is why it is so dangerous and no one should allow Raccoons to use their property as a latrine.

Scary stuff, Tracy in WA
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 02/28/10, 12:01 PM
Rockytopsis's Avatar
A & N Lazy Pond Farm
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: East Tennessee
Posts: 3,328

Can someone explain EPM to me? I don't remember running across that term before.
Thanks
Nancy

__________________

A small Goat farm in East Tennessee
http://www.freewebs.com/rockytopsis/

Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 02/28/10, 12:55 PM
Banned
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Eastern North Carolina
Posts: 31,299
Quote:
Can someone explain EPM to
me?

Quote:
Equine Protozoal Myeloencephalitis (EPM) is a master of disguise. This serious disease can be difficult to diagnose because its symptoms often mimic other health problems in the horse and signs can range from mild to severe.
As many as 50 percent of all horses in the United States may have been exposed to the organism that causes EPM. The causative organ is a protozoal parasite named Sarcocystis neurona. The disease is not transmitted from horse to horse. Rather, the protozoa are spread by the definitive host, opossums, which acquires the organism from infected birds. The infective stage of the organism, the sporocysts, are passed in the opossum's feces. Tne horse comes into contact with the infective sporacysts while grazing or eating contaminated feed or drinking water.
http://www.dclahdvm.com/articles/epm.htm
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 02/28/10, 04:10 PM
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 4,170

Kim he got a B shot this am but he's about the same.
Yesterday he & wether got feet trim BoSe & CDT booster.
Checked ears, all clear
Natural Beauty thanks for the CMPK suggestion!! Will call vet tomorrow for some.
No deer come on our proprty LGDs scare em off. There's coons & possum around & plenty squirrels.
Feed pans get picked up shortly after each feeding & sanitized regularly, usually every day as he likes to stand with his front feet in them.
They dont eat off the ground.

__________________

Bob and Nancy Dickey
Laughing Stock Boer Goats
"Seriously Great Bloodlines"
and the meat goes on....
Near Seattle

Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 02/28/10, 06:32 PM
Natural Beauty Farm's Avatar
Flying Farm Nubians
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: SW-VA
Posts: 910

EPM can come in with hay that is not stored in a barn without raccoon visitors, can also be baled when they make hay, if the hay sits for a night before being raked.

That is why I am so picky on who I buy from each fall. Went to one barn to see some "fantastic horse quality" hay only to get the hay seller upset with me when I crawled into the loft and told him I would have to pass since his hay had a family of raccoons living in it and they had pooped all over.

__________________
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 02/28/10, 06:59 PM
susanne's Avatar
Nubian dairy goat breeder
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: michigan
Posts: 4,465

i doubt that this is a disease of the goat but very specific for horses.
please let us know what the vet find out.
hope your buck will recover soon

__________________

Susanne Stuetzler
Ain-ash-shams
Nubian Dairy Goats

please visit us at
http://www.ain-ash-shams.net

Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 02/28/10, 07:03 PM
susanne's Avatar
Nubian dairy goat breeder
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: michigan
Posts: 4,465

is this buck tested for cae?
for some reason this sounds like a neurological problem. the encephalitis in cae shows with loss of control of the hind legs.

__________________

Susanne Stuetzler
Ain-ash-shams
Nubian Dairy Goats

please visit us at
http://www.ain-ash-shams.net

Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 02/28/10, 07:15 PM
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 4,170

Good point, we will be doing CAE/CL testing again soon.
My mentor friend suggested waiting awhile before putting him down & that it sounds like an injury.
Three of his half siblings including the wether are still here, sound as all get out.
No deer here LGDs see to everything.
If its EPM in the hay wouldnt the wether be affected as well?

__________________

Bob and Nancy Dickey
Laughing Stock Boer Goats
"Seriously Great Bloodlines"
and the meat goes on....
Near Seattle


Last edited by Goat Servant; 02/28/10 at 07:18 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 02/28/10, 08:21 PM
susanne's Avatar
Nubian dairy goat breeder
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: michigan
Posts: 4,465
Quote:
Originally Posted by Goat Servant View Post
If its EPM in the hay wouldnt the wether be affected as well?
not necessary. i did a research and there are no known cases of epm in goats. this is a problem in horses.
goats get meningeal worms transmitted from white tail deer. intermediate host are snails.
in very rare cases they could be coming with hay.
not all goats get meningeal worms but the animals with weak immune system.
i doubt this is the case with your buck. you said he had problems a couple of months ago. if meningal worms, and not treated aggressively right away, by now you would see skin lesions from the larvae and a buck that is very uncomfortable because it is itching very bad.

injury of his spine, cae or another infection would make much more sense to me

please keep us updated.
__________________

Susanne Stuetzler
Ain-ash-shams
Nubian Dairy Goats

please visit us at
http://www.ain-ash-shams.net

Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 02/28/10, 08:28 PM
Katie
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Twining, Mi.
Posts: 19,399

I'm keeping my fingers crossed for an injury, of course not that I want something to be wrong with him, I'm just thinking maybe that's the best out of the possibilities.
I hope you can figure it out soon.

__________________
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 03/01/10, 09:10 PM
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 4,170

Today he's not doing any better. Am presently trying to find out the withdrawl time for BoSe & CDT if any.
Whatever is going on with him he's not going to be able do his job.
He could get x rays & all that but the bottom line is he's not sound enough.
There are 3 does out there due in May so we will have some Valentino babies.

__________________

Bob and Nancy Dickey
Laughing Stock Boer Goats
"Seriously Great Bloodlines"
and the meat goes on....
Near Seattle

Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 03/01/10, 09:17 PM
susanne's Avatar
Nubian dairy goat breeder
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: michigan
Posts: 4,465
Quote:
Originally Posted by Goat Servant View Post
Today he's not doing any better. Am presently trying to find out the withdrawl time for BoSe & CDT if any.
Whatever is going on with him he's not going to be able do his job.
He could get x rays & all that but the bottom line is he's not sound enough.
There are 3 does out there due in May so we will have some Valentino babies.

do you still want to find out what is wrong? or just put him down?
no withdrawl for bo-se. not sure about the cd t but i think it is only short time?
__________________

Susanne Stuetzler
Ain-ash-shams
Nubian Dairy Goats

please visit us at
http://www.ain-ash-shams.net

Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 03/01/10, 10:09 PM
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 4,170

At the risk of sounding cold, Im thinking that whatever is wrong with him is not going to improve. Sure I'd like to find out why but if it's an injury its always going to be a factor.
He had a hard time finding his back legs to begin with when I put a doe with him.
He would try to mount & fall on his butt.
Figured he wasnt mature enough at what? 9 or 10 months.
But just in the last few days he's having a harder time getting around, the musceling in his rear has definetely deteriorated.
Its his right hip not feet or legs.

Other than a couple of B shots & some banamine its not going to fix the core problem.

__________________

Bob and Nancy Dickey
Laughing Stock Boer Goats
"Seriously Great Bloodlines"
and the meat goes on....
Near Seattle

Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 03/02/10, 07:45 AM
susanne's Avatar
Nubian dairy goat breeder
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: michigan
Posts: 4,465

at least i would test for cae.

__________________

Susanne Stuetzler
Ain-ash-shams
Nubian Dairy Goats

please visit us at
http://www.ain-ash-shams.net

Reply With Quote
Reply



Thread Tools
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:39 AM.