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HELP! HELP NOW! Goat can't swallow; drooling
Never had this before; just went out for am feed and goat wouldn't touch her grain. staring, head shaking, drooling & coughing a bit. Very cold last night. Gums grey. tried to give oral warm water & nutridrench but she just drools it out. No obstruction visible in mouth. Gave 12cc Vit B Complex sub Q & 3 cc Banamine SubQ (to make me feel better- it's all I have)
Felt throat for lump or obstruction and can';t feel anything compelling, but she coughs and drools when we squeeze her glottis.
IDEAS???? I don't have a tube and I don't have an IV fluid set 
Am also trying to find an emergency vet (on a Sunday... )
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01/03/10, 11:23 AM
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Have you checked her temp?
My only experience with this is when one of my wethers had listeriosis. He would shove his whole face in the bucket to drink but couldn't swallow and it would all run out when he lifted his head. His temp started at 106.5
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01/03/10, 11:28 AM
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oh dear it sounds like she may have something caught in her airway, partially blocking oxygen intake. I hope you can find a vet soon.
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01/03/10, 11:31 AM
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Your hardware store should have tubing.
Good luck!
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01/03/10, 11:43 AM
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Oh I hope you can help her!
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01/03/10, 11:44 AM
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Sounds like Listeriosis if there is no blockage. Her temperature is important.
Listeriosis treatment is 6cc procaine pennicillan every 6 hours for a 100# goat. Is the B complex Fortified? If so 12 cc should be enough, if not you are underdosing Thiamine. Pure Thiamine would be better. Dose again in 6 hours then every 12 hours. Vet scripts Dexamethazone for swelling, Banamine for the pain.
If you get a hold of a vet have them give thiamine intravenously for the first dose. Do not tube that goat if you suspect a blockage! She could possibly be choking on her cud also.
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01/03/10, 11:46 AM
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OK, great vet, agrees with Listeriosis and is having me come to her house for IV fluids, Thiamine, LA 200, etc.
Goat is standing comfortably now in the garage in front of the space heater (her choice) and wearing a winter vest (vet's idea). Still cannot swallow, but seems more relaxed now with the Banamine on board.
Anything else I can do while we wait to meet the vet for the supplies? Also, what kind of "aftercare" or prevention should I implement from now on??? this snuck up on us!
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01/03/10, 11:53 AM
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Drat, it DOES sound like Listeriosis. Keep us posted, I'll keep you guys in my thoughts. One thng though, isn't Listeriosis contagious?
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01/03/10, 11:59 AM
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just read up on it; only really affects humans that are immunosuppressed or the elderly or infants......
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01/03/10, 12:00 PM
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Listeriosis is not contageous but there are other diseases with similar symptoms that can be deadly. Until you see recovery keep saliva contained & away from your person.
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01/03/10, 12:06 PM
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wish I could do something to help, hope all is better
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01/03/10, 12:10 PM
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Make sure you restart her gut with some yogurt or probios or cud.
I've got my fingers crossed for her.
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01/03/10, 12:20 PM
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Yes, I will have to steal a cud from my other doe. Can my other goats catch listeriosis if they DON'T share a water bucket and DON'T share a yard? The little one that's sick lives by herself; always has, because the full-size goats pick on her. They DO share a Shed, but have no contact, there is a solid wall between them.
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01/03/10, 12:21 PM
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I just thought of something else. Is she up to date on her tetanus shot?
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01/03/10, 12:54 PM
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How's she acting now? Are you sure she's not choking? If not it sounds like Listeriosis to me too. poor little thing & it's been so cold in our part of the country too. You can always make her a coat out of an old sweatshirt too.
Keep us ;posted on how she's doing OK?
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oh I hope she is ok! Keep us posted ...prayers and hugs to you both
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01/03/10, 02:25 PM
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OK, she's much brighter now. She has 2cc Thiamine on board, 4.5cc LA 200, and 300cc of fluids SQ. She also took a dose of NutriDrench, so she's swallowing again, thank goodness! Picking at her hay, and generally more alert.
We've got the temp in the garage up around 30 degrees, and she's deeply bedded with straw, as well as still wearing my winter vest (front legs through the arm holes and zipped up along her back; perfect fit!  )
I'm headed out to give the other two goats some warm water, and bed them deeper (wind chill is 8 degrees! They are in their shed, but still.....)
Will keep you posted!
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01/03/10, 02:28 PM
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Quote:
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I just thought of something else. Is she up to date on her tetanus shot?
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She had her CD&T about 1.5 years ago; gave her such a hard knot in her skin that I didn't repeat it this year (she has gotten 3-4 doses over her 5 year lifetime)
Now that the Thiamine and fluids have perked her up, I'm not as worried about tetanus....
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Whew! Glad she is better  You have a very busy day on your hands!
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01/03/10, 02:55 PM
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With such a quick recovery I wouldn't think it was listeriosis but I don't know for sure.
Glad to hear she's perking up.
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01/03/10, 03:14 PM
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Yes, I keep reading about the differences and similarities between Polio and Listeriosis. She has been QUICKLY treated for both (the Thiamine for Polio, the LA 200 and fluids for Listeriosis).
I am very lucky in that I only have three goats, and this particular one is The Pet, so when I go to feed, I am very "Aware" of her attitude and mood. Last night, she gobbled her grain just like every other night. This AM, she didn't even notice I put it in front of her, so I believe I caught this within 8-10 hours of it presenting; VERY LUCKY for her/me!
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great news!
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01/03/10, 03:54 PM
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Also take a look at your hay and grains for mold if you think it was listeriosis. A friend of mine just had a sick doe over the holidays with this.
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01/03/10, 04:19 PM
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I just lost a doe to listeriosis. And that sounds exactly like the simptons that she had. The Thiamine is a very good idea but if it is listeriosis she need procaine penicillin ASAP
Read http://www.tennesseemeatgoats.com/ar...steriosis.html
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wow I use that website for goat info also
they have the best articles and basic good to know goat info
I have used this website forever--many many moons..LOL
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01/03/10, 06:25 PM
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I believe the LA 200 is oxytetracycline, another fast-acting antibiotic used for listeriosis.
She is doing fabulously well, just got more SQ fluids, but did drink on her own and took another 60 cc oral dose of warm water and an ounce of nutridrench.
She'll get 2cc of Thiamine again before bed.
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Maybe as a follow up you can get a fecal done.
The stress of this will have suppressed her immune function allowing any resident parasites to take advantage.
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01/03/10, 07:28 PM
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Yeah, Thiamine can't ever hurt. I hope she continues to improve.
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01/03/10, 07:34 PM
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I lost a wether to either polio or listeriosis back when I just had two for pets, didn't know how to diagnose/treat at home, and thought that vets knew what was best... My vet of COURSE didn't know what was wrong with it and diagnosed pneumonia... Of course, to him, EVERYTHING (including diarrhea!) is pneumonia.
Glad to hear you have a good vet and that your goat is doing better - hope to hear about a full recovery!
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01/03/10, 08:57 PM
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I lost my little wether to listeriosis because I stopped the antibiotics too soon. He was doing great on day 4 and did a 180 on day 5. Couldn't swallow and his head was rotated to the left.
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