Confused - CD&T vs CDT antitoxin?

[nehimama]

Someone please clear up my misunderstanding?

For as long as I've raised goats, I've innoculated with BarVac (brand) CD/T. The vial reads "Clostridium Perfringens Types C & D - Tetanus Toxoid". It's basically the brand available where I purchase feed & supplies. So far, so good, eh?

From time to time I see a thread concerning a current case of enterotoxemia, and the owner is advised to administer CDT anti-toxin. Have I got that right?

I have searched, and do not find the anti-toxin at the feed store(s) I frequent, and am not sure I understand the difference. IS there a difference? Can someone enlighten me? Is the anti-toxin available on prescription only?

Thanks in advance,
NeHi

[betsy h.]

C&D anti-toxin is usually available at feed stores that carry vaccine- TSC usually has it in stock- it comes in a 250 ml bottle and is used in case of emergency because of goat getting into grain bin, etc. It can be given orally as well as sub-cue and the protectin lasts 10 days. Dose is about 10ml per goat, but can be as much as is necessary - maybe 30ml- in case of immediate need to save the goat's life.

CD&T is for long term protection- it is given as a series of doses, usually at about a 3ml per dose. Generally comes in a few different sizes- cow size doses- 10 dose, 50 dose vials. This is what you give to kids as part of their regular baby shots.

All vaccines need to stay cold- NEVER frozen- in the refrigerator, Jeffers usually has all these in their catalog-

[PNP Katahdins]

My understanding is that the usual CT-T toxoid is for prevention and antitoxin is for immediate need. Think about the difference in having a tetanus booster every 10 years vs. getting a puncture wound and needing a protective tetanus shot ASAP. The vaccine chart at the Maryland Small Ruminant website says antitoxin is good for 7-14 days.

Peg

[nehimama]

Thank you for all the replies. So, to put it in my own words, let's see if I understand: C&D ANTITOXIN is what's needed for immediate protection. (In case goats have gotten into the grain storage, say.) Did I use the correct name? Did I spell it right?

Thanks!

NeHi

[nehimama]

PNP Katahdins, thank you for the link. Very informative, and I've bookmarked the page.

NeHi

[Idahoe]

You got it right!! I think of them as the "antitoxin" and the "vaccine" to keep them straight in my head.

The antitoxin lasts in their system for a week or so, the vaccine lasts for about a year, though some re-boost their goats every six months or so. I do it once a year, two shots three weeks apart starting at one month old (along with a dose of antitoxin).

[LaManchaPaul]

Originally Posted by betsy h.

C&D anti-toxin is usually available at feed stores that carry vaccine- TSC usually has it in stock- it comes in a 250 ml bottle and is used in case of emergency because of goat getting into grain bin, etc. It can be given orally as well as sub-cue and the protectin lasts 10 days. Dose is about 10ml per goat, but can be as much as is necessary - maybe 30ml- in case of immediate need to save the goat's life.

CD&T is for long term protection- it is given as a series of doses, usually at about a 3ml per dose. Generally comes in a few different sizes- cow size doses- 10 dose, 50 dose vials. This is what you give to kids as part of their regular baby shots.

All vaccines need to stay cold- NEVER frozen- in the refrigerator, Jeffers usually has all these in their catalog-

My goat-notes say 2mL (2cc) subq at day 45 in kids and again in 20 days. then once a year. This came from dairygoatinfo I believe. That has been my routine. Where is the 3mL info?
thanks.

[Backfourty,MI.]

LaMancha Paul, I think Betsy is talking about the antitoxin when she's saying 10 ml's. The CD & T toxoid that is a vaccine is given in 2 ml's, etc. just like you said above.

[LaManchaPaul]

Thanks Backfourty. I have never used CD and same as OP I remain confused. TSC carries it here. On a GA goat forum I tried to get clarification - but 'ole thickhead can't be moved. Really it's a mental block for me.

The CD&T - vaccine. ok gottit.. and I have been doing it since day one.

Can you give me an example of when one would use CD at 3cc and subQ? On the other forum it was also mentioned about the goat's good bacteria being affected.

[betsy h.]

I've always used 3ml of Covexin8, works for me...... remember, I live in the mountains where it is damp and hot and blackleg is rampant.....

[ozark_jewels]

The Anti-Toxin is to be used when you are *treating* entero, bloat, etc. The vaccine is used for protection. Initial doses, then two boosters per year.
NeHi, the only place I found the Antitoxin is at the vets, online, and believe it or not, I have found it at the MFA in Willow Springs.

[Minelson]

Originally Posted by ozark_jewels

The Anti-Toxin is to be used when you are *treating* entero, bloat, etc. The vaccine is used for protection. Initial doses, then two boosters per year.

Ok...now I'm confused. I thought the booster was once a year

[ozark_jewels]

Originally Posted by Minelson

Ok...now I'm confused. I thought the booster was once a year

With a goats faster metobolism, it is reccomended twice yearly boosters for goats. I do one pre-breeding and pre-kidding.
In fact, with mature goats, everything here is done pre-breeding and pre-kidding.

[Minelson]

Originally Posted by ozark_jewels

With a goats faster metobolism, it is reccomended twice yearly boosters for goats. I do one pre-breeding and pre-kidding.
In fact, with mature goats, everything here is done pre-breeding and pre-kidding.

What would you suggest for someone who doesn't breed or kid?

[ozark_jewels]

Originally Posted by Minelson

What would you suggest for someone who doesn't breed or kid?

Every six months was still reccomended by those in the know to a friend of mine who never bred her goats.......

[Beulah Gardens]

I read once, and for the life of me I cannot remember where..

toxiod when you want to avoid
and toxin when it needs fixin'...

It helps me remember which bottle to grab when I get to the fridge...

[nehimama]

Originally Posted by Beulah Gardens

I read once, and for the life of me I cannot remember where..

toxiod when you want to avoid
and toxin when it needs fixin'...

It helps me remember which bottle to grab when I get to the fridge...

THANK YOU! That's a great help!

NeHi