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Old 10/08/09, 10:48 AM
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Thumbs up Nigerian's can be good milk goats!

I thought I would post this picture of my herd sire's dam just to show that all Nigerians don't have little teats or only give a cup or two of milk.

Jobi Maple averages 6lbs a day and comes from a long line of national top 10 milkers.




I know they aren't all this good, but if you make it a point to buy from breeders that are breeding for milking rather than just pets, then the odds are in your favor for getting a good milk goat.

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Old 10/08/09, 10:52 AM
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WOW! She's fantastic.

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She's amazing. I wish I could buy some of her babies.

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It has been my mission since I got Nigerian Dwarves this July, to find great milking lines. My main problem is having those breeders contact me back!

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how do you tell a Nigerian Dwarf from a Pygmy?

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Old 10/08/09, 12:47 PM
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Shes Fantastic!

Joel12mi, Coloring is a big thing. That and pygmys are a meat breed, not milkers.

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DairyGoatSlave,

Ok, I understand what you are saying but I mean from an appearance level. How can I tell a dwarf from a Pygmy? The reason I ask is....I bought some goats that said they were pygmies in the add. I showed pictures to someone else and they said they look more like dwarfs than pygmies.

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Old 10/08/09, 01:47 PM
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She's lovely, Wags. Thanks for sharing.

Joel12mi, I've heard it said that Pygmies look like barrels on legs. NDs are more svelte, you might say. Can you do an internet search on both breeds, and compare the pictures you find? That may help a lot.

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Wags, beautiful doe. Who is she from?
I appreciated the story from the 4H judge up at state fair this year. She said they did a one day milk test a couple years ago and the only doe to meet what she should have was a ND.

Joel12mi, more than likely they are a cross of the 2 breeds. People cross their pigmys to ND's to get flashier coloring.

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Old 10/08/09, 05:18 PM
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Now that's ONE NICE looking Grandma!! Do you have pix of the babies?

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Old 10/08/09, 06:30 PM
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Nice Looking doe & she sure gives alot of milk for a Nigerian dwarf it sounds like.
I would also Love to see pictures of the babies too!

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Old 10/09/09, 09:44 AM
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Here is one of her sons - my herd sire at a year old:



His paternal Granddam, ARMCH Goodwood Water Lilly, was the 2000 AGS Best of Breed National Champion! her show record consists of MCH. (3 X Grand Champion)
Many Champion Challenges; ANDDA All American milking yearling '99, and best udder in her class at the 2003 National show! And just look at her Production record! AGS TOP 10 Production
2000 #9protein 2001 #4mlk, #5BF,#2prot 2001 #6mlk, #10BF, #6pr. 2003 #4mlk, #5BF, #1prot


ARMCH Goodwood Water Lilly *D

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Old 10/09/09, 10:01 AM
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how do you tell a Nigerian Dwarf from a Pygmy?
According to the Nigerian Dwarf Goat Association:
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What's the difference between a Nigerian Dwarf and a Pygmy goat?

Although they have similar origins, Nigerian Dwarfs and African Pygmies are separate and distinct breeds, with recognized differences. Pygmies are bred to be "cobby" and heavy boned. Dwarfs are bred to have the length of body and more elegant structure that's similar to their larger dairy goat counterparts. Pygmies are also primarily "agouti" patterned, with black, silver and caramel being the most common colors.
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Thanks Wags...that is the best description I have seen so far.

I tried looking at pictures and I guess I just dont know enough to tell the differences.

From that description I would guess that the goats I have are Nigerian Dwarfs.

I hope I can get some milk from them. I was worreid about how to manage my time with

work and milking. I read a few people let the kids milk during the day so that the herder only has to milk once a day instead of twice.

I am going to give this a try.

Very nice Picture above!!!!!!

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Old 10/09/09, 10:27 AM
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I dam raise my kids - at two weeks old I separate them from their dams overnight and milk in the morning. Once the kids are weaned around 3-4 months of age then I start milking twice a day. I know some people wean at 2 months of age, but that just seems way to young to me.

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That sounds much more managable to me than trying to milk twice a day from the start.

From what I read after you wean them you need to milk twice a day or the milk starts to dry up quickly?

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Old 10/09/09, 11:25 AM
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That sounds much more managable to me than trying to milk twice a day from the start.

From what I read after you wean them you need to milk twice a day or the milk starts to dry up quickly?
I pay more attention to the size and health of the kids, when I'm sure they have a good healthy start to life then I wean. Yes I don't get as much milk as I would otherwise, but I don't mind. I still have enough for the family table and thats all that really matters.
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Thats all I am really wanting ..enough for personal use.

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I have an alpine nubian cross, so I didnt want much more milk so I swaped some of my boers for 3 ND does, one who was already in milk and low and behold she produces as much as the big doe I have. Im coming to the slow reality that I need to part with the bulk of my boers and since I can not go without goats we will be getting more NDs. Im hooked, and of course my famous words where Ill never have one of those, their pointless and too hard to milk and not enough for meat.
My three girls are out of really nice milk lines from Lil totts farm, though Im through showing Im really proud of these three.
Oh and big bonus, they are a heck of allot easier to handle!

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We have 3 does that were producing great milk.....unfortunately we now have to sell them :-( I'm going to miss that milk!!!
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Old 10/09/09, 12:44 PM
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A mature Nubian doe should stand at least 30 inches at the withers and weigh over 135 pounds. Breed standards vary for Nigerians, but generally a doe shouldn't be over 22" tall and the weight should be around 75lbs.

So Niggies are about 1/2 the size of a Nubian. The butterfat of their milk generally runs in the 6-10% range (btw 10% is the current standard for commercial half & half). And as you can see they can give almost as much as a Nubian, although I would say most are probably more in the 3-4lbs range.

I think they would be a great addition to any homestead, especially for those of us on smaller acreage. Plus some urban areas - such as Seattle - now allow you to have up to two does (or wethers) in the city.

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Wow, those are some pretty goats! Dang, and milk, too....
I am starting to wish there were some around here!

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Wags, beautiful doe. Who is she from?
I appreciated the story from the 4H judge up at state fair this year. She said they did a one day milk test a couple years ago and the only doe to meet what she should have was a ND.
Her dam is Jobi Margo who is out of a long line of National top 10 milkers. Her Granddam WGF Millie was in the National top ten milker award for 4 consecutive years from 1999 - 2003. Her sire is Jobi Morgan who also has 3 top ten milkers on his sire & dam's side.

Jobi farm is in Texas, Joanne Jelke is the breeder and breeds a lot of Nigerians as replacements for dairys there.
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Old 10/10/09, 12:20 PM
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My NDs are from milking and show lines as well. I bought a couple of them because my son liked the breed (I had the Nubians and Kinders) but it took a little while to find someone who really bred for the things we wanted. Well, the NDs are so cool I think they'll quickly be taking over the barn. My goats come from Ellen Dill www.dillsalittlegoatfarm.com and her lines are mostly from PromisedLand. If you want NDs that can milk check out Ellen's website.

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After thinking about it a long while and asking around, I have decided to breed my grade Saanen doe to a Nigerian buck. Smaller goats, almost as much milk, and more butterfat... why not?

I visited a local breeder, Castle Rock Farm. As soon as I got there I almost died of cuteness overload as a herd of tiny goats came running toward me with their tiny toylike bleats. All of them were sweet, gentle, and downright... cuddly. She had a couple of doelings for sale and if I had the money I'm just about certain I'd have come home with one. Probably the one that was crawling into DH's lap and trying to eat his shirt.

I can't wait for mini-Saanens.

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SARA K ; I'm new on this Site , From I dig !! But I milk a Sannen every AM .... Love Cold Goats Milk ... But I think I would sell the House before I would sell my "Milcher's" !!! Why do you have to move ? My inquiery mind ? .... I'm trying to learn to make Butter with no success Any suggestions , Anyone , Please ? ....... Thankyou ........ ALAN B ....

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For some more pictures and info on great Niggie milkers check out Pholia Farm located in southern Oregon. They are a 100% Nigerian dairy - specializing in cheese making and they milk a couple dozen or more goats year round.

They also have info milking procedures and on building a milk stand out of PVC pipe in their milking section.

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Wow, those are some pretty goats! Dang, and milk, too....
I am starting to wish there were some around here!
Oh-oh, you're in trouble now because there are ND's around you!!!
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I want Nigis so badly.....my husband has been told that goat milk is nasty and tastes goaty. I have never tried it myself but want 3-4 nigis next year as soon as we get fencing in. I just hope my hubby will get on board and I can handle the milking.

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All milk "can" taste really gross. I've tasted some really disgusting cows and goats milk. Things like the odor of the milking area, if a buck is in rut and close to the does, milking practices etc can all show in the flavor of the milk.....this holds true for all milking animals.

When we had our cow in my parents barn we hated the milk....we've loved it since we finally moved her here. The barn was awful smelling and just the short milking time that we used the barn for made the milk taste gross, needless to say we got her out of there ASAP!!!

I was never a big fan of goats milk until I owned my own, I'd tasted ND goats milk and was surprised that it tasted creamier than my Jersey milk but really.....it tasted like creamy milk! Try a few different sources that practice clean barn and milking habits and see if he still feels the same way

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